The Hypothetical Arm-Chair Retool.

[Chef Boi RD]

Winger - Lafrenierre is now being reported as the piece that “was” coming back to Vancouver in Miller trade talks. If so gotta wonder if they are trying to flip Boeser for a centre replacement for Miller????

Not a fan of this idea.

I can't see Boeser returning a C that replaces JT without significant add.....not that I think Brock is low value, just that a top-line winger often doesn't return a top-line center.

Yeah, trading a centre for a winger doesn’t make sense which could explain the rumoured third trading partner in the deal. It seems that it’s NYR who was rumoured to be close to a deal with the Canucks and Lafreniere was the name one news wire said it was to be. NYR’s farm team scratched 3 players in expectation of a trade with Vancouver. Castonguay is rumoured to be pushing for Lafreniere, who was his former agent prior to the Canucks hiring her.

The players that Hartford scratched didn't move the needle at all imho. A who's who of AHL scrubs that probably won't ever crack the top-6 on any NHL team.

Could’ve been throw-ins. We see that all the time. But hey I’m just pointing out what’s circulating. A lot of media outlets are reporting this. It seems a deal was close to being made

[Blob Mckenzie]

I think ownership is really p*ssed...

I think managment and the coaching staff are p*ssed...

As a season ticket holder going back to the beginning of the Benning era this is the most p*ssed I've been and have let my rep know that unless the team performs a 180 and experiences playoff success I will not be spending another dime on the team...Especially on the heels of a major price increase this season...

IF there is a lockeroom issue with JT then he has to go and it shouldn't be up for debate..

I was always taught that in situations where a company is underperforming and its best sales person is a problem within the team, then that person has to go because the value they bring to the company is less than the negative value they bring to the rest of the team...

I think the only question is how big of a deal is the organization attempting to make?

How many other players are they willing to include in a deal, feeling that Lekkerimaki, Sassons, and Raty will be in the NHL lineup next season and Willander is most likely to make his NHL debut once Boston University is eliminated from the playoffs, and EP2 will begin to get NHL games either this season depending on where they are in the standings or next year for sure...

With JT gone and those 5 players inserted into the lineup along with a big CBA increase next season, the team should be in a good postion to take on salary this offseason or in a trade despite the OEL buyout...

Do they just move JT and see how the team responds, or do they think other players need to go as well?...

For me and my two cents, that's the only question to be answered...

Take care...

The fact that the current issues are what threw you over the top as far as being a season ticket holder is fascinating. Were you wearing beer goggles from 2014 to 2022? You jet set in from Parksville and drink champagne and eat caviar, chin wagging with the Courtnalls and Nash's and wearing white leather gloves, singing Italian songs, drinking Gewertztraminer, smoking cohibas and waiting for Pacific Blue to pick you up in his maggot wagon with Crazy Lennie and some Ladies of the evening.

[Meds]

Winger - Lafrenierre is now being reported as the piece that “was” coming back to Vancouver in Miller trade talks. If so gotta wonder if they are trying to flip Boeser for a centre replacement for Miller????

Not a fan of this idea.

I can't see Boeser returning a C that replaces JT without significant add.....not that I think Brock is low value, just that a top-line winger often doesn't return a top-line center.

Yeah, trading a centre for a winger doesn’t make sense which could explain the rumoured third trading partner in the deal. It seems that it’s NYR who was rumoured to be close to a deal with the Canucks and Lafreniere was the name one news wire said it was to be. NYR’s farm team scratched 3 players in expectation of a trade with Vancouver. Castonguay is rumoured to be pushing for Lafreniere, who was his former agent prior to the Canucks hiring her.

The players that Hartford scratched didn't move the needle at all imho. A who's who of AHL scrubs that probably won't ever crack the top-6 on any NHL team.

Could’ve been throw-ins. We see that all the time. But hey I’m just pointing out what’s circulating. A lot of media outlets are reporting this. It seems a deal was close to being made

Yeah. I read the same.

[Argay Ham]

Boeser is like Toffoli in that respect. He has great anticipation to be in the right spots at the right time, which makes up for the poor skating. But I also like that he's great on the boards. I'm a fan, at the right price.

I’ve really liked his game the past calendar year. He’s just not scoring at an inflated shooting percentage right now which doesn’t help how he’s perceived.

[Megaterio Llamas]

Demko and Boeser for space.

We need space man.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Winger - Lafrenierre is now being reported as the piece that “was” coming back to Vancouver in Miller trade talks. If so gotta wonder if they are trying to flip Boeser for a centre replacement for Miller????

Not a fan of this idea.

I can't see Boeser returning a C that replaces JT without significant add.....not that I think Brock is low value, just that a top-line winger often doesn't return a top-line center.

Its really neat....... they are allowed to make multiple trades.

[Meds]

Winger - Lafrenierre is now being reported as the piece that “was” coming back to Vancouver in Miller trade talks. If so gotta wonder if they are trying to flip Boeser for a centre replacement for Miller????

Not a fan of this idea.

I can't see Boeser returning a C that replaces JT without significant add.....not that I think Brock is low value, just that a top-line winger often doesn't return a top-line center.

Its really neat....... they are allowed to make multiple trades.

Right. We have 3 assets that would return a 1C. Miller, Pettersson, and Hughes. Obviously Hughes isn't going anywhere.

If we trade Miller or Pettersson and the return is a winger, what's the plan to fill the 1C position short of packaging a 1st or Willander up with Brock.

[Kenji]

All of the conventional wisdom is about age, but I think maybe the whole thing is about Hughes. This year ok, not, it's McDavid and Drai, but next...? After that he is a free agent again, so, what do they do. Maybe THIS is peak Hughes and thus, you build your Cup team around that. Tank this year, if you must. but get the assets together for a serious run next year. That's pretty fast. Need to decide if Tocchet is in or out, and about your players, maybe you move Pettersson!

[2Fingers]

I went with everyone except the 2 prospects and Hronek mainly he seems to be above all the crap and producing at his cap hit and above.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Winger - Lafrenierre is now being reported as the piece that “was” coming back to Vancouver in Miller trade talks. If so gotta wonder if they are trying to flip Boeser for a centre replacement for Miller????

Not a fan of this idea.

I can't see Boeser returning a C that replaces JT without significant add.....not that I think Brock is low value, just that a top-line winger often doesn't return a top-line center.

Its really neat....... they are allowed to make multiple trades.

Right. We have 3 assets that would return a 1C. Miller, Pettersson, and Hughes. Obviously Hughes isn't going anywhere.

If we trade Miller or Pettersson and the return is a winger, what's the plan to fill the 1C position short of packaging a 1st or Willander up with Brock.

They probably aren't returning a 1C for assets that have been depreciated. Maybe return a high end winger like Lafrenniere and dangle Boeser + to get a youngish 2C or a kid that projects to be one.

[Chef Boi RD]

Exactly Childers, i guarantee you the Lafreniere rumour had legs and the rumour on top of that rumour where the Canucks were looking for a third partner had to do with trying to find a centre to replace Miller. If getting Lafrenierre that makes a winger like Boeser whom is approaching UFA expendable. Just putting two and two together Jabrones.

[rikster]

I think ownership is really p*ssed...

I think managment and the coaching staff are p*ssed...

As a season ticket holder going back to the beginning of the Benning era this is the most p*ssed I've been and have let my rep know that unless the team performs a 180 and experiences playoff success I will not be spending another dime on the team...Especially on the h'eels of a major price increase this season...

IF there is a lockeroom issue with JT then he has to go and it shouldn't be up for debate..

I was always taught that in situations where a company is underperforming and its best sales person is a problem within the team, then that person has to go because the value they bring to the company is less than the negative value they bring to the rest of the team...

I think the only question is how big of a deal is the organization attempting to make?

How many other players are they willing to include in a deal, feeling that Lekkerimaki, Sassons, and Raty will be in the NHL lineup next season and Willander is most likely to make his NHL debut once Boston University is eliminated from the playoffs, and EP2 will begin to get NHL games either this season depending on where they are in the standings or next year for sure...

With JT gone and those 5 players inserted into the lineup along with a big CBA increase next season, the team should be in a good postion to take on salary this offseason or in a trade despite the OEL buyout...

Do they just move JT and see how the team responds, or do they think other players need to go as well?...

For me and my two cents, that's the only question to be answered...

Take care...

The fact that the current issues are what threw you over the top as far as being a season ticket holder is fascinating. Were you wearing beer goggles from 2014 to 2022? You jet set in from Parksville and drink champagne and eat caviar, chin wagging with the Courtnalls and Nash's and wearing white leather gloves, singing Italian songs, drinking Gewertztraminer, smoking cohibas and waiting for Pacific Blue to pick you up in his maggot wagon with Crazy Lennie and some Ladies of the evening.

lol, something like that....

Back then you knew what you signed up for while with this team you're paying almost $20 million a season for 2 30 game winners in baseball who are refusing to throw the ball....

Take care....

[UWSaint]

Interesting hypothesis PoC.

Affirms we have a room full replete with Petunias if so.

Unless a player is having liberties with another player's wife or a dude is acting like the angry drunk whose wife just left him every day and making the workplace objectively insufferable for everyone else, for the "room" to throw off a bunch of pro athletes such that they lose all their mojo is for that room to be a bunch of petunias.

An easier explanation for Miller's mediocre play is that he's taking shifts off, often the back half of shifts where he could get off the ice and doesn't. An easier explanation for EP40s mediocre play is that he isn't moving his feet. (He did against Edmonton -- quite a difference).

But let's just say that petunias can still win hockey games, and therefore speculating wildly about their personal relationship about which we have very little insight will inform whether players should be or should have been moved, because, you know, moving out bad eggs or keeping good ones will help petunias stay...where's this analogy going...in bloom?

On Kuzmenko, the theory isn't silly. Off the ice, he brought joy and smiles and laughter. On the ice, he brought fun and creativity. (Tockey beat it out of him so well that he didn't recover it after the trade).

Most groups benefit from the guy that makes it more enjoyable to be at work. Esprit de corps and whatnot. So long as the guy isn't a slacker who meaningfully increases burdens on others, all other things being equal, its better to have a good time while doing good work than having a miserable time while doing good work. In the latter circumstance, players/employees are more apt to have one eye on the next opportunity.

The thing is, John Tanner Pearson Miller and EP40 are *really* intense. Miller's intensity is often expressed outwardly and explosively; Pettersson's usually internally. Hughes is better described as serious as opposed to intense -- a serious professional who's commitment doesn't have the collateral effect of a recommendation to a psychologist. But none strike me as "fun." Indeed, Quinn Hughes, who is the franchise's best ever defenseman and the reason to watch the Canucks, is pretty low on my list of "hockey players I'd like to have dinner with." The only other core player on this team is Thatcher Demko, who is a goalie and therefore must expend all mental energy on maintaining sanity as an occupational hazard.

The explosive people tend to explode on other people. Its gross. The guts and blood. It gets everywhere, and its often indiscriminate. Frustrations taken out externally -- you might be the next target. Eggshell walking environments -- wait, are eggshells good for petunia beds?

EP40 could be strange, could be antisocial or uninviting (I have no idea, its all speculation assuming pentunianish!), but those people in the workplace you just kind of leave alone. Its what they want, its what's most comfortable, and it doesn't hurt male feelings for another dude to not want to "talk." Unless those male people are the emotionally explosive and needy types.

Ergo, scientifically, if this team is a bunch of petunias, Miller should be moved for the retool and the return should include a french Canadian. Or a Dane. Or a Russian who enjoys a good cheeseburger. Because they are inherently comical.

[donlever]

Ergo, scientifically, if this team is a bunch of petunias, Miller should be moved for the retool and the return should include a french Canadian. Or a Dane. Or a Russian who enjoys a good cheeseburger. Because they are inherently comical.

Ha.

Great post.

The last paragraph cracked me up....

[Cornuck]