Re-booted SKYO approved pipe dreams and trade ideas

[theman]

Have to admit, I ham interesting in seeing what a Petey trade could bring back and also, how it would affect the dressing room and JTM in particular.

[Meds]

If the rumours are true regarding Buffalo emerging as a trade partner, Cozens is definitely part or all of what’s coming back as they are as frustrated with Cozens as we are with Pettersson…

Personally, I’d rather trade Miller straight up for Cozens. Not sure Buffalo does that

Aren't we being told that JT has asked to be moved and EP has asked to stay?...

If that's accurate reporting, then the team would move JT before they considered moving EP, no?

Take care...

JT has a full NMC and the offers for him have been unacceptable. If he has indeed asked for a trade, and the reports that he have are pure speculation and “Elliotte-4th-line-insider” level reliable, then he probably has exercised his NMC to have some control over where he lands.

If they are considering trading Pettersson because of better offers, then that simply confirms that this entire mess is because of bad blood between these two players.

My (hypothetical) theory…..

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Time will tell, but I’m betting that if you move out Pettersson the entire room resets because it will be seen as a sort of “apology” from management to the players for their handling of this, and for committing like this to a player who has had a 6 season history of times or questionable commitment.

Either way, you have to try and fix this now because otherwise you have to blow it up. Miller wants out? I can’t see Boeser wanting to stay right now. Hughes and Demko likely both saying “see ya never” the following two seasons. Garland will look for greener pastures. The Canucks will become a destination for players who can’t get a contract in a more desirable destination.

Interesting theory..

If Miller asked for a trade, in other words is bailing on the team, then he gets moved before they think about moving EP...

Indeed, IF.

But the solution is dependent upon the why. IF my theory is accurate, that Miller asked out because the team told him to back off on Petey and sent the message that the Golden Scooter is their chosen one, then you do move JT and take what you can get. But that is only IF Pettersson is not a problem with other players and you know that he’s going to right the ship with the removal of Miller.

But to trade EP and have JT whose asked for a trade still on the roster makes no sense to me...

Unless (as JT/PA) you are now hearing from coaches, and seeing for yourself, that Pettersson’s mindset and attitude are legitimate concerns, and you recognize that he’s not worth the contract you signed him to, and that the entire reason for Miller’s request was because of these things and that moving EP satisfies the situation between the team and Miller. Then you trade Pettersson.

If the EP was close to being dealt rumor is true, then I have to think JT did not ask to be dealt...

Which is why I pointed out that the source(s) for these rumours are guys like Friedman and other not-so-inside insiders. Maybe JT didn’t ask.

When I watch the games involving teams linked to either of them, the player I see them most needing is JT...especially a team like New Jersey who are overly soft at the centre position...

The problem with moving JT to teams who need him for the playoffs and not for the right now is that Miller is not a rental. He’s under contract for another 6 seasons.

As for Hughes and Demko wanting out…

Boeser, love the person but if he wants out there are replacements in Abbotsford who may be able to do the job as well if not better than he has been doing this season...

Take care...

My comment on these players wanting out is predicated on the hypothetical theory that the problem is rooted in the team sheltering a pussy with a golden soother in his mouth at the expense of an asshole who has proven he can play the way one has to play to win the hard games. Winners won’t want to stick around with a team that doubles down on a bad decision at the expense of other core guys.

As for Brock being replaceable by a player from Abbotsford…..so far we’ve had several Abbotsford players audition with the team this year. None of them have been as good as Brock, let alone better. Making that claim seriously undermines the credibility of your powers of observation.

[Chef Boi RD]

Cozens, Byram and a 1st are what should be coming back.

lol, you’re dreaming. Petey’s contract says otherwise. Also, you’re taking on a potential cap headache in trying to get Byram sign (he becomes an RFA) to a reasonable contract.

Trading players without considering the impact of their contract status is easy. Considering their contract situation is usually what makes or breaks the deal, more so than the player (the product) themselves. See Chicago for retaining some of Rantanen’s costs to get rid of Hall.

Petey’s contract, I imagine looks like an ugly beast in the eyes of those kicking his tires. Me, personally, if I was the inquiring GM, I’d walk away from the table.

[Meds]

Cozens, Byram and a 1st are what should be coming back.

lol, you’re dreaming. Petey’s contract says otherwise.

If we’re honest in our take on this we have to acknowledge that both Pettersson and Cozens are overpaid by similar percentages based on a dollars per point metric. However Petey’s 30 points in 42 games for $11.6M looks a helluvalot worse than Cozen’s 24 points in 49 games for $7.1M.

So do you wash them out and add to the trade accordingly?

If I’m Buffalo I see Pettersson, at 26 years of age, as being a possible 1C who can max out at 40G/110. Cozens, on the other hand, is only 23 and could still turn into a 6’3” beast mode centerman that punches 35G/80P while being a bitch to play against in tough games.

You’re not adding Bryam AND a pick north of the 3rd round to that package.

Both players producing like they did 2 seasons ago and you are absolutely adding Byram to that trade.

[theman]

It concerns me that if Rantanen did not bring back a 1st in his trade, Petey will not as well.

[Chef Boi RD]

Mëds, you’re doing that Crazy Canuck Fan thing where you bitch constantly about how shitty a player is on the Canucks but are trading him at a premium, lol. Do you not see how that looks? C’mon.

Let’s get real, Petey’s $11.6 million is nowhere near as digestible as Cozens.

Let us do it from this angle - you Mëds, Imagine is the GM for Buffalo. Are you trading $7.1 million Cozens for $11.6 million Petey? The very player you despise?

[Chef Boi RD]

It concerns me that if Rantanen did not bring back a 1st in his trade, Petey will not as well.

lol, exactly. And Petey is nowhere near the player Rantanen is

[Chef Boi RD]

Btw, Mëds. Regarding “beast mode” Cozens do some due diligence. The biggest complaint on him right now is he is playing too soft. Just because he’s 6’-3” and is Canadian means fuck all. Read the comments on Kulich by his coach and teammates. You want beast mode, get Kulich, not Cozens. Kulich is playing the way Cozens should be and isn’t. Why he isn’t, is the concern.

[Lancer]

It's becoming apparent, with their patience to-date regarding the potential trade of Miller and/or Pettersson, that management is in no panic. I don't think 'saving the season' is the prime motivation for them in this regard. Smart move; desperation deals seldom pan out. Wake me the week before the trade deadline.

Columbus would be an intriguing partner if management could be convinced to accelerate their contention timetable. A deal centred on a Jenner for Miller swap? Yeah, he's their Captain, but he's not the face of the franchise with Fantilli there, and Miller would provide that locker-room leadership. Jenner is no Miller, but he can do a lot of the things Miller does that doesn't involve straight-up skill. Jenner is also on a shorter contract, so if management wants to pivot to someone else, it's not too much of a burden down the road. Throw some add-ins to make the cap match work. Columbus gets an upgrade over Jenner; Vancouver gets rid of a locker-room headache and a potentially bad contract in a couple years, while not creating a gaping void at centre behind Petey.

It couldn't be the only move they make, and it will exacerbate the organization's shallow pipeline of skilled centres, but I would take Jenner over Chytil or Kotkaniemi if the window is now. Maybe management can pry Stankoven, Bourque or even Johnston but the only advantage of those names is they're younger, with perhaps more potential, and better fits at 2C than Jenner, but that's asking for a lot of persuasion on Nill.

[Chef Boi RD]

Not sure I like Stankoven, Hoglander, Garland and Lekerimakki on the same team, lol. Centre Mavrik Bourque and D prospect Bischel is who I want. They ain’t trading Wyatt Johnston

[Megaterio Llamas]

Yes agreed theman, and au contraire RG, by simply suggesting the floating in of Coach # 4 in less than 4 years as a "problem solver" we should pretty much be able to determine we do indeed have a player problem.

Uh, Bruce Boudreau was hired in December 2021. That's two in coaches in a little over three years if you fire Tocchet today (which I'm not advocating). It's a bit of a carousel alright. But it's not as bad as you're making it out to be. And remember, the owner hired Bruce so he was basically being set up as a lame duck the day he signed. Travis and willing had standard length NHL coaching runs here.

Who did Bruce replace?

2021 - Travis and Bruce
2023 - Bruce and Tocchet
2025 - Tocchet and ?????

The suggestion is that IF they float in another coach this season it WILL BE the 4th coach in 40 months.

I'm shedding brain cells watching this team Mëds.

Sorry Don.

[Kenji]

Med’s Petey hate has infected me and I look forward to the Cup Parade with Miller sitting next to Hughes and Conn Smythe winner Zack Benson

[rikster]

As for Brock being replaceable by a player from Abbotsford…..so far we’ve had several Abbotsford players audition with the team this year. None of them have been as good as Brock, let alone better. Making that claim seriously undermines the credibility of your powers of observation.

To the contrary, when you consider Brock is a UFA currently on a $6.65 million dollar contract....

And has 16 goals and 16 points in nearly 18 minutes of ice time per game playing top 6 minutes and pp...

That is a player who is replaceable with a number of AHL prospects next season, especially when you consider the cost to extend Brock as compared to a player on an entry level deal....

Its unfortuante that fans don't spend more time following the prospects beyond stats and start assessing their game at the minor league level with the thought can their game translate at the NHL level?

The chosen one is Quinn, if anyone he is the one who would have influence or input into managments decision, not EP or Miller....

[Lancer]

As for Brock being replaceable by a player from Abbotsford…..so far we’ve had several Abbotsford players audition with the team this year. None of them have been as good as Brock, let alone better. Making that claim seriously undermines the credibility of your powers of observation.

To the contrary, when you consider Brock is a UFA currently on a $6.65 million dollar contract....

And has 16 goals and 16 points in nearly 18 minutes of ice time per game playing top 6 minutes and pp...

That is a player who is replaceable with a number of AHL prospects next season, especially when you consider the cost to extend Brock as compared to a player on an entry level deal....

Its unfortuante that fans don't spend more time following the prospects beyond stats and start assessing their game at the minor league level with the thought can their game translate at the NHL level?

The chosen one is Quinn, if anyone he is the one who would have influence or input into managments decision, not EP or Miller....

Sushi is not going to replace Boeser's production this year or next. After that? I'd be willing to make a bet that he will at some point soon after that. The kid has a shot and some skill. Needs more muscle and acclimatization.

What trading Boeser at the deadline or in the offseason is the cap benefit that can be used to retool the roster elsewhere - or maybe sign a cheaper UFA to fill the gap till Sushi can fill Boeser's boots.

[Carl Yagro]

I just called to say, I love… all this hockey discussion.