Re-booted SKYO approved pipe dreams and trade ideas

[Meds]

Sure, but did you forget that this was one of the worst all-time teams in history?

We're trying to bring in skill for the foreseeable future. We've been talking about needing the kill to protect that skill, so what's DPete going to do? Get fighting lessons from MeatPetey on how to protect his chin?

MeatPetey doesn't have a chin to protect, so how the fuck is he gonna teach something he never had to learn?

[donlever]

Plumber....

Jackey......who can chuck em

Perfect.

So Cootes Lekk Rossi Buium Ohgren Willander Stenberg/McKenna won't get killed while we suck AND he helps us get Dupont.

Winning....

[Cousin Strawberry]

I don’t think anything of value whatsoever needs to go east in that deal (and yes DP has value)

How about wifi is the add on for van to absorb the 6.5 million dollar mentor? Or part of the add on…

Giving MTL that added space is worth some backsheesh

[donlever]

Did I say trade DP for Jack.

All I said was given my druthers I'd rather have the latter right now.

[UWSaint]

I’m with Topper at this point in D-Petey. I don’t see anything more than a 3rd pairing there. So I don’t see him being a part of this organization’s future when they are actually competitive.

I don't see him as likely more than that either. I pumped the brakes on the initial enthusiasm because the issues were clearly there.

Of course, most third rounders won't even get to third pairing status.

But at 22, there's still a good period for development. Big questions about whether the turn is unresolvable, but surely he will pick spots better with wisdom. (If he doesn't, he'll be Noah Juulsen).

The point being that if there's a 10% chance he develops into a middle pairing guy and a 20% chance that he develops into a 4-5 (best suited for a third pairing assignment, but fully capable to cover when there's injuries), that leaves us with "likely won't ever be better than 3rd pair" yet better odds than the defensemen the Canucks take in the second round this draft. And at his age, he's absolutely in the window to be peaking when the Canucks might have their next core identified and playing competitive hockey.

Consider Kevin Bieska. At 22 years old he was a 4th year NCAA player in an unexceptional program and without an NHL contract (Canucks had his rights). He had skating issues, he had picking his spot issues, he had gap control and angle issues, but he played a snarly game and he didn't treat the puck like a grenade. In his age 23 season he made the jump to the AHL, and also developed his game. In his age 24 season, he split time between the minors and the NHL, never being much more than "we're injured who can we dress" at the NHL level.

At that time, at age 24, having played 60 fewer NHL games than EP25 has at age 22, some fanboys surely proclaimed Bieksa's going to be a top 4 defenseman some day. Because he was fun, he delivered some hits, he was old timey in disposition. But its revisionist to think he had better odds of getting there than EP25. I'm not saying EP25 is the next Bieksa, but he's a comparator in that there are several overlapping attributes (good and bad) to what Bieksa showed when Bieksa was already 2 years older than EP25. Whether we've seen the best of EP25 (or close to the best) is a function of how coachable he is, how dedicated he is, how disciplined he is about getting better -- things he controls (and I don't know) -- and how much is fixable.

Don't get me wrong -- he's for sale. But it just doesn't make sense to use an asset like that in exchange for temporary protection that is also available on the waiver wire and the not-high-demand UFA market instead of in exchange for (or as part of a package for) an asset with a chance to be more.

[BoS]

I never understood why Allvin didn’t paper Pettersson down to the AHL after the ‘25 trade deadline, his rookie season. He wasn’t above and beyond ahead of his peers where more AHL time would have been detrimental. He could have been an option for Manny on their quest for the Calder cup.

[Megaterio Llamas]

I never understood why Allvin didn’t paper Pettersson down to the AHL after the ‘25 trade deadline, his rookie season. He wasn’t above and beyond ahead of his peers where more AHL time would have been detrimental. He could have been an option for Manny on their quest for the Calder cup.

That was weird alright. It was like they were actively sheilding him from development.

IMO they might consider giving him this year in Abby to make up for it, or at least a big part of it. As they did with Podkolzin.

[UWSaint]

Don’t mind the 3 way trade option.

DET: EP40

LA: Larkin

VAN: 2027 1st from LA, prospect

Moving from "Around the League"

This is not totally outside the realm of possibility, but consider this:

(1) The Kings don't really have attractive prospects. Their system is almost completely depleted. So I am not sure what the value of a Kings prospect is. I'm not an expert on their system, but there best prospects appear to be Carter George and Henry Bruzstewicz -- and I am not sure that either is more valuable than a 2d round pick. (George has NHL starter potential for sure, but goalies are so fickle to project or develop as average or better NHL starters, and below average starting goalies or good enough to back up all might have a big season out of nowhere (Vladar....) and are always affordably available so developing goalies is a high failure rate/limited "floor" value enterprise. Still, I think George would be the guy the Canucks would target from the LA system).

(2) The deal is underweight for Detroit (Larkin > Pettersson at this point, especially considering salary)

(3) LA is getting Larkin a little cheap so has more to give to the deal (consider Horvat and Miller deals -- Larkin holds a bit more value than either) -- though much depends on how difficult Larkin makes the move (which teams will he go to). But LAs assets to add are basically picks and NHL players.

(4) Vancouver would be coming out good in this transaction -- but would be game to take on some liability (e.g., Copp or Compher), to allow the counterparties to add to their flexibility to make other offseason moves.

(5) Detroit is trying to improve (so Yzerman can keep his job), Petey for Larkin doesn't (likely) improve them, but how much better would the deal look for them with DeBrusk and what would else would they throw in (or require LA to throw in) to make that happen?

Discuss....

[Cousin Strawberry]

Add Hoglander or Lekkerimaki instead of DeBrusk then move Jake in a separate transaction. We could take back bad money from both trade partners as well to be more alluring

The mission for Van really needs to be to get rid of him

[Aaronp18]

Definitely don't disagree UW. Was really just a framework deal, could realistically be something like this:

DET: EP40, DeBrusk/Hoglander

LA: Larkin

VAN: 2027 1st from LA, JT Compher, prospect from LA (Woolley has a nice Mem Cup appearance and is a sizeable d-man prospect) or Cihar

[donlever]

Yeah....that's the thing about the simple proposed deals thrown out here by us Bull Honks.

Like the Hronek - San Jose's 2nd we were shooting the shit on last week.

The names tossed in are much akin to what GM's would do....initiated as framework/foundation and go from there.

OP's not to be taken verbatim....

[UWSaint]

The mission for Van really needs to be to get rid of him

The mission, I think, is to add shots at finding future core players. EP40 remains potentially useful to this mission. Getting rid of him without using him towards these ends is suboptimal. Now of course there's a world where he's an impediment to everything and that would change my view as to the urgency of moving him just to move him, but I'm not buying it.

Add Hoglander or Lekkerimaki instead of DeBrusk then move Jake in a separate transaction. We could take back bad money from both trade partners as well to be more alluring

Don't think Detroit(or LA) has any interest in Hoglander. He might just pass through waivers as a $3M unproductive at-best-badger who can't play special teams. You have to consider what counter parties want.

As for Sushi, same thing. Is that a guy teams in win now mode are gunning for? But also, its not worth it for Vancouver. While the chances of him being a core player or something like Boeser's first season are fairly slim, they are not zero. He lost last season from a development perspective due to injury; when he played, he was an effective goal scorer in the AHL (which he also was the year before). Injury deprived him of the reps needed to level up -- I don't know that he will for the same reasons as caused concern a year ago, but I don't think we learned much from last year one way or the other as to whether he can overcome those things. So while I am not optimistic Sushi will be special, there aren't many guys in the organization with a better chance -- don't trade them unless you are trading them for better shots at the future, or a different shot (like a prospect swap).

But if DeBrusk is part of the AP18's outline, I think a balanced deal looks something like:

>LAK: Larkin
>DET: Pettersson, DeBrusk, LA Prospect or LA 2d
>VAN: LAK 1st, LA 2d or LA Prospect, Compher, DET 2d

So Vancouver's getting a first and the equivalent of 2 seconds for trading Petey and DeBrusk and taking on Compher; Detroit gets Petey and DeBrusk and a second equivalent for Larkin and getting rid of Compher, and LA gives up a 1st and the equivalent of 2 seconds for Larkin.

It might be right that you can get more value by trading DeBrusk separately (but I'm not quite sure why Detroit does a deal where they swap Pettersson with Larkin). But I also think we should figure out what DeBrusk's value is. And I think its 2 projected mid round seconds. I don't see a first coming back for him. Why 2 2ds? Its what Sherwood got; while Sherwood was a "rental," surely SJS factored in the extension to the deal (which was basically a UFA market # -- and is very close to Jake's contract). Maybe trading DeBrusk and taking back a poor contract can get him to a first. That's certainly something worth considering.

[UWSaint]

OP's not to be taken verbatim....

Agree and didn't take it that way -- just took it to the refine it stage (Detroit will need more, LAK has more they'd give for Larkin, Van can take salary....)

[donlever]

Understood.

Just laying out the framework/foundation.

[Meds]

But if DeBrusk is part of the AP18's outline, I think a balanced deal looks something like:

>LAK: Larkin
>DET: Pettersson, DeBrusk, LA Prospect or LA 2d
>VAN: LAK 1st, LA 2d or LA Prospect, Compher, DET 2d

So Vancouver's getting a first and the equivalent of 2 seconds for trading Petey and DeBrusk and taking on Compher; Detroit gets Petey and DeBrusk and a second equivalent for Larkin and getting rid of Compher, and LA gives up a 1st and the equivalent of 2 seconds for Larkin.

That's a damned fine proposal.