Media (AKA Idiots) Rebooted

[Megaterio Llamas]

Elliotte Friedman regarding Hughes:

- “the longer this goes on the more leverage is with Hughes, rather than for the Canucks”

- “won’t be purely unproven assets, but a trade for him won’t include players like Lucas Raymond or Matvei Michkov either.”

I agree on both points. We are not going to win in a Quinn Hughes trade, bottom line.

More along the lines of Jamie Drysdale, Forester and a 2026 first from Philly and Kasper, Sandin Pellika and a 2026 first from Detroit. We are not getting Martone

Yep, you want a player like Martone, you'd better hang onto your draft picks.

[Megaterio Llamas]

Farhan weighed in today with what must be the boldest, most hard-hitting examination of Quinn Hughes' body language to date.

I have no plans to watch it, but you guys feel free. https://youtu.be/fInzxXJ_4Oc

[Chef Boi RD]

Elliotte Friedman regarding Hughes:

- “the longer this goes on the more leverage is with Hughes, rather than for the Canucks”

- “won’t be purely unproven assets, but a trade for him won’t include players like Lucas Raymond or Matvei Michkov either.”

I agree on both points. We are not going to win in a Quinn Hughes trade, bottom line.

More along the lines of Jamie Drysdale, Forester and a 2026 first from Philly and Kasper, Sandin Pellika and a 2026 first from Detroit. We are not getting Martone

Yep, you want a player like Martone, you'd better hang onto your draft picks.

And that is exactly the heart of the problem with this organization. Their innate inability to recognize that nobody in their right mind is going to offer up their high end, top end, A-1 caliber Prospects, even for the Hughes of the world. We saw it with Horvat and we saw it with Miller.

And you wonder how we got to the mushy middle. Meanwhile, San Jose, Anaheim, Chicago, Utah, etc realized that the only way to get into that special club is to endure a couple years of misery, keep your picks and draft your Martone’s instead of foolishly thinking you can acquire them, meanwhile we got your desperation moves like your Reichels, Kravtsovs and Kampfs that we have to experience. The horror, the horror, the horror…

Stay competitive, folks

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[Chef Boi RD]

Found this on X:

“I spoke to an assistant GM last night and, in his opinion, Foerster, Luchanko and a 1st would be in the right ball park for Hughes.

His reasoning:

"Eichel trade

Tuch
Krebs
2nd

Probably closest comp of recent history."

Chef doesn’t disagree with this. Mind you, Vegas took a serious gamble with Eichel’s career on the brink with his neck.

[2Fingers]

lol - the talking heads know nothing and just post shit to get key clicks and it seems to work.

[Meds]

Found this on X:

“I spoke to an assistant GM last night and, in his opinion, Foerster, Luchanko and a 1st would be in the right ball park for Hughes.

His reasoning:

"Eichel trade

Tuch
Krebs
2nd

Probably closest comp of recent history."

Chef doesn’t disagree with this. Mind you, Vegas took a serious gamble with Eichel’s career on the brink with his neck.

Hughes has a Norris.

Eichel has no individual hardware.

Does the ring on his finger man more, hard to say. I think Hughes value is higher than Eichel's.

[Madcombinepilot]

lol - the talking heads know nothing and just post shit to get key clicks and it seems to work.

Especially for Chef

[Madcombinepilot]

Elliotte Friedman regarding Hughes:

- “the longer this goes on the more leverage is with Hughes, rather than for the Canucks”

- “won’t be purely unproven assets, but a trade for him won’t include players like Lucas Raymond or Matvei Michkov either.”

I agree on both points. We are not going to win in a Quinn Hughes trade, bottom line.

More along the lines of Jamie Drysdale, Forester and a 2026 first from Philly and Kasper, Sandin Pellika and a 2026 first from Detroit. We are not getting Martone

Yep, you want a player like Martone, you'd better hang onto your draft picks.

And that is exactly the heart of the problem with this organization. Their innate inability to recognize that nobody in their right mind is going to offer up their high end, top end, A-1 caliber Prospects, even for the Hughes of the world. We saw it with Horvat and we saw it with Miller.

And you wonder how we got to the mushy middle. Meanwhile, San Jose, Anaheim, Chicago, Utah, etc realized that the only way to get into that special club is to endure a couple years of misery, keep your picks and draft your Martone’s instead of foolishly thinking you can acquire them, meanwhile we got your desperation moves like your Reichels, Kravtsovs and Kampfs that we have to experience. The horror, the horror, the horror…

Stay competitive, folks


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Those ‘desperation moves’ cost all of a single 4th round pick. Stop sucking into the media undertone of negativity. It was not horror. Just low cost stopgap while buying time to make calculated decisions instead of knee jerk reactions based off the media.

Your message says it’s ‘foolishly acquire’ talent, yet your message is for us to trade all we have away.

[Lancer]

Found this on X:

“I spoke to an assistant GM last night and, in his opinion, Foerster, Luchanko and a 1st would be in the right ball park for Hughes.

His reasoning:

"Eichel trade

Tuch
Krebs
2nd

Probably closest comp of recent history."

Chef doesn’t disagree with this. Mind you, Vegas took a serious gamble with Eichel’s career on the brink with his neck.

Hughes has a Norris.

Eichel has no individual hardware.

Does the ring on his finger man more, hard to say. I think Hughes value is higher than Eichel's.

This. There are more than a handful of centres in the league who profile similarly to Eichel in terms of production. He's a #1 centre whose had a season over a PPG once. He's no McDavid, nor is he of a calibre of Auston Matthews. I don't see any individual hardware in his house when his career is done.

There are much fewer players of Hughes' calibre - especially at a premium position such as D. That makes a big difference.

Quinn will cost more than a couple of so-so former-1st-rounder prospects and a pick. The challenging part for teams who would want to acquire him is how they fit him and his salary moving forward without giving up a key piece; the cap is an obstacle here, no matter how much it increases in the future. The teams with the cap space to fit Hughes in while getting away with offering picks, prospects and scraps likely only have picks and prospects to offer vice players on the big club who would move a needle.

That is, unless there's a young player on a bridge deal or ELC that the acquiring team knows they won't be able to afford if they bring in Hughes.

That might be worth management considering.

[Chef Boi RD]

The detriment fom the Canucks perspective is Hughes pending UFA status. As everyone from Friedman to Seravalli have been saying - ‘the longer this drags out the less favourable the situation is for Vancouver’.

Fast forward to this summer, management will have a fairly concrete idea of Hughes plan as apparently that is when his agent/team will let management know of his desire (he doesn’t want to discuss it until the off season).

I’m predicting he will want to go to market.

What team in their right mind is going to offer the moon for one year of service from Quinn with no guarantee of him signing with inquiring teams?

As Freidman says - the more this drags out the less favourable it is for Vancouver.

Personally I believe Hughes best return value will be at the Trade Deadline. If we are complete shit still by then, management will have to make an assumption that Quinn wants to go to market and commit to trading him at the TDL, that is, if we want max value.

A team thinking they are a Hughes away from winning the Cup this season will offer the moon regardless of the uncertainty of him extending with them. Teams will possess some level of confidence in being able to resign him over the summer, especially if the team is good and had a good run in the playoffs, if not winning the cup.

[Cornuck]

The detriment fom the Canucks perspective is Hughes pending UFA status. As everyone from Friedman to Seravalli have been saying - ‘the longer this drags out the less favourable the situation is for Vancouver’.

The only thing dragging out at this point is the media's hype to run Hughes out of town (all for the sake of clicks). I'm sure Hughes is happy to let things go as they are for quite a while longer.

[Chef Boi RD]

The detriment fom the Canucks perspective is Hughes pending UFA status. As everyone from Friedman to Seravalli have been saying - ‘the longer this drags out the less favourable the situation is for Vancouver’.

The only thing dragging out at this point is the media's hype to run Hughes out of town (all for the sake of clicks). I'm sure Hughes is happy to let things go as they are for quite a while longer.

I wasn’t talking about the media fed frenzy. Even though Freidman said that, I actually agree. It’s not hard to see that the longer this drags out the worst it gets for Vancouver. All I’m asking is - how should the Canucks handle this, if management is put on hold waiting to hear from the Hughes camp what their intentions are. Again, the longer this goes the less favourable it is for the organization regarding maximizing Quinn’s value.

I think management is going to have to “read the tea leaves” instead of waiting to hear from the Hughes camp, and that seems to be the crux of Rutherford’s frustration, he’s no dummy.

[Cornuck]

I think management is going to have to “read the tea leaves” instead of waiting to hear from the Hughes camp, and that seems to be the crux of Rutherford’s frustration, he’s no dummy.

I agree that this management team will do its best to create a shitshow of epic proportions (see: Bodreau, Miller/Petey) and drag shit out and then try to lowball him - but - it could all be put to rest now, with a joint statement between the club and Hughes' agent deciding on a timeline of when negotiations will start.

[Madcombinepilot]

The detriment fom the Canucks perspective is Hughes pending UFA status. As everyone from Friedman to Seravalli have been saying - ‘the longer this drags out the less favourable the situation is for Vancouver’.

The only thing dragging out at this point is the media's hype to run Hughes out of town (all for the sake of clicks). I'm sure Hughes is happy to let things go as they are for quite a while longer.

amen.

[Madcombinepilot]

The detriment fom the Canucks perspective is Hughes pending UFA status. As everyone from Friedman to Seravalli have been saying - ‘the longer this drags out the less favourable the situation is for Vancouver’.

The only thing dragging out at this point is the media's hype to run Hughes out of town (all for the sake of clicks). I'm sure Hughes is happy to let things go as they are for quite a while longer.

I wasn’t talking about the media fed frenzy. Even though Freidman said that, I actually agree. It’s not hard to see that the longer this drags out the worst it gets for Vancouver. All I’m asking is - how should the Canucks handle this, if management is put on hold waiting to hear from the Hughes camp what their intentions are. Again, the longer this goes the less favourable it is for the organization regarding maximizing Quinn’s value.

I think management is going to have to “read the tea leaves” instead of waiting to hear from the Hughes camp, and that seems to be the crux of Rutherford’s frustration, he’s no dummy.

on your side, the longer this drags out, the more likley the Canucks retain.. QH for a playoff run with a 4M cap hit?? In the real world, That has a value all on its own. All this negative speculation does is help convince QH he should leave.

We are literally watching the media run the kid out of town, and watching it happen.

disgusting.