Is Mark Carney sliding towards Fascism?

[Tciso]

OK - back to Canadian Fascism.

Or back to a lack of Canadian Fascism perhaps?

Is compelled speech fascist?

[Cornuck]

Is compelled speech fascist?

How so? (Serious question from someone who hasn't been up there for a while)

[JelloPuddingPop]

OK - back to Canadian Fascism.

Or back to a lack of Canadian Fascism perhaps?

Is compelled speech fascist?

Hard to respond to this without context, but I'd say it's at least certainly Authoritarian.

All Fascists are Authoritarians, but not all Authoritarians are Fascists.

As an example of what I'm getting at: Maoism is certainly not Fascism, but it is also very definitely Authoritarian. Compelled speech is a large part of the CCP regime.

I'd say most of us are willing to tolerate some form of Authoritarian policies within their Governments, even Democratic ones, and unless you are an Anarchist - no judgement here, just saying - we put up with some laws that lean that way, just to keep the peace.

[rikster]

Tciso wrote;

I know i have a strong person bias against individuals with weak moral character and poor ethics, but Carney had done nothing to change my perceptions about the Liberals.

My suggestion would be to focus on the Party you support and demand a more competent leader and one who has the moral character and ethics that you say are important to you...

I have a hard time grasping that the likes of Poilievre Federally and Rustad Provincially are the best the Conservatives can do...

And not sure anyone would want to try to argue that they have a high moral character and good ethics...

I don’t know much about Rustad. Provincial politics have largely lost me as BC has voted in corruption time and again going back to Campbell (I was too young to recall the Vanderzam era).

As for Pollievre…..if you are going to suggest that his character is lacking in good morals and ethics, please provide evidence to support your side of the argument.

I think if Carney is the bar set, not sure why you didn't ask the OP to explain himself or why you would think PP exceeds the bar?...

To my broader point, PP refusing to accept defeat and move on or the Conservative Party failing to move on from him illustrates my issue...

And its not just PP who I think lacks the skills to lead the country, the Party has a former teacher and carpenter as its Shadow Minister of Economic Development and a person with an accounting diploma as its Shadow Minister of Finance?...

It will be interesting to see what happens in January with the Leadership Review, I have been telling the Parties both Federally and Provincially that I am not making another donation until we find more competent leadership which canvassers are telling me is becomming a common response as they make their calls....

I just think that we would be better served especially in these difficult times by an opposition Party led by someone as capable and with the background of a Mark Carney to work together for the sake of the country...

The Liberals finally woke up and moved on from Trudeau, its time for the Conservatives to move on from the likes of Poilievre and Scheer and find their version of Carney...

[Ronning's Ghost]

The Liberals finally woke up and moved on from Trudeau, its time for the Conservatives to move on from the likes of Poilievre and Scheer and find their version of Carney...

Great post !

Yes, Canadians vote on competence at least as much as ideology. Most of the voters who decide the outcome of an election care primarily about whether a party makes the system work for them, not how or why.

[Meds]

Is compelled speech fascist?

How so? (Serious question from someone who hasn't been up there for a while)

It’s not a law yet, but some MP’s want to make it criminally prosecutable to deny, defend, or even semi-justify/rationalize, residential schools.

[Cornuck]

It’s not a law yet, but some MP’s want to make it criminally prosecutable to deny, defend, or even semi-justify/rationalize, residential schools.

Does it have a chance of actually passing? Making it similar to holocaust denial in Germany?

[Meds]

It’s not a law yet, but some MP’s want to make it criminally prosecutable to deny, defend, or even semi-justify/rationalize, residential schools.

Does it have a chance of actually passing? Making it similar to holocaust denial in Germany?

I’d say no at this point. This particular bill is calling for multiple years in prison, no sane MP hoping to keep their spot will vote for that.

[Tciso]

Is compelled speech fascist?

How so? (Serious question from someone who hasn't been up there for a while)

It’s not a law yet, but some MP’s want to make it criminally prosecutable to deny, defend, or even semi-justify/rationalize, residential schools.

Bill c-16 is written fairly open ended, and many scholars claim that it does compell pronoun usage in some situations, and has the potential for jail time.

[Cornuck]

So I found this case - https://www.them.us/story/canadian-cour ... -violation (which seems to be a bit more than just about pronouns).

Have people been imprisoned for using the 'wrong language' in regards to the other protected groups? This has been around almost 10 years, correct? So I'm guessing there are some cases on record.

[donlever]

They were imprisoned for saying the wrong words about Justin Trudeau....

[JelloPuddingPop]

They were imprisoned for saying the wrong words about Justin Trudeau....

People were imprisoned for saying something about a PM?

Not familiar with this case(s) - but that would certainly be considered Fascism.

[Meds]

All Fascists are Authoritarians, but not all Authoritarians are Fascists.

When you frame it that way, perhaps it would have been a better thread title with authoritarianism in place of fascism.

[Ronning's Ghost]

So I found this case - https://www.them.us/story/canadian-cour ... -violation.

Since we're moving towards being more exacting about terminology, I will point out that a tribunal is not a court, and if one party is sufficiently grieved by its findings (and has the funds), that party can take the matter to real court.

[donlever]

People were imprisoned for saying something about a PM?

I would imagine Tamara Lich believes so.