Canucks News N Notes 25-26

[Madcombinepilot]

The new crew have traded quite a few players within a year of signing or trading:

Ilya Mikheyev
Danton Heinen
Anthony Beauvillier
Sam Lafferty
Vincent Desharnais
Dakota Joshua
Lazar

Who am I missing?

Do these cats not think things through before pulling triggers? They remind me of Pakistani parade goers firing off AK-47’s into the sky.

A lot of those trades also could have been a result of misreading how to fix the lockerroom issue... the search for a veteran to tell the boys to settle down.

[Hockey Widow]

Sprong

[Chef Boi RD]

Dakota was a Tocchet guy, the coach loved him. More evidence of a not so harmonious relationship between coaching and management when it comes to player personnel. It will be interesting to see the kind of years Hoglander and Petey have under Foote.

[Blob Mckenzie]

So you are holding them to a higher standard than you did regarding previous management?

I feel like Chef has gotten better about acknowledging the successes and failures of each management team, but yes, it also feels like his standards are not consistent.

Yeah it seems he prefers Lennie Small above all.

[Chef Boi RD]

Sprong

It’s peculiar, certainly. One can also look at the contracts given to Miller and to Pettersson in recent years and how quickly they fell out of favour afterwards. It’s all so very interesting. Does management need to revaluate themselves and why they do what they do?

[Chef Boi RD]

So you are holding them to a higher standard than you did regarding previous management?

I feel like Chef has gotten better about acknowledging the successes and failures of each management team, but yes, it also feels like his standards are not consistent.

Yeah it seems he prefers Lennie Small above all.

Chef just sat down on the couch cracking his first beer after a hard day, trying to chill and you’re hitting me hard. You’re harshing my mellow.

[Hockey Widow]

Dakota was a Tocchet guy, the coach loved him. More evidence of a not so harmonious relationship between coaching and management when it comes to player personnel. It will be interesting to see the kind of years Hoglander and Petey have under Foote.

Agreed in part. Tocchet also called Dak out several times. Once showing up to camp unprepared. You have to believe that the Flyers would have done their due diligence and if he was such a Tocchet guy they would have been interested. Hey maybe they were and offered a 4th with retention.

I can tolerate their signing mistakes given their ability to move on from these mistakes. DAK for 3 years at 3.25 was a mistake.

[Meds]

Once he lost his nut he was half the player he was before.

Didnt the old man deal with yellow teeth post nut removal and also decide to move on from him as well?

The old man doesn't want one nutters

The thing I don't like about him going to Tarrana is that by acquiring Joshua the Leaves now have more balls than they did before.

*But less balls per person

No.

The Leaves officially now have half a set of balls.....which is more than they had last year.

[Tciso]

No I'm talking about the other two camps where he had more chins than a Chinese phone book. Try to keep up. They have tons of cheap winger depth in the system. But if you think trading Dakota Joshua and shedding 3.25 million is gutting the team, you do you.

They can also move out some cap in a deal for a solid centre. It's a really neat thing.

So, the out of shape camp where he got .5ppg bothers you that much? BTW, I wasn't paying attention to how many chins ge had, i am totally taking your word on it. But, yeah, trading Joshua and Chytil and likely other assets is a gutting of our team. What AHL plug is filling Joshua's role as an agitator with grit? Karlsson? Aman?
Lekkerimaki should make the team, but he is not gritty.

And, I still don't know what solid center they are getting back in this process. Who do you classify as a solid center that won't cost us Chytil and another asset, and Joshua's Cap space?

For a guy who claims to like assholes, you seem to undervalue this particular asshole.

[Chef Boi RD]

Joshua’s wasn’t much of an agitator. He threw the odd body once in awhile when he felt up to it and rarely dropped his mitts. Garland is an agitator, practically every time he steps on the ice, Hoglander agitated more than Joshua.

[Chef Boi RD]

Dakota was a Tocchet guy, the coach loved him. More evidence of a not so harmonious relationship between coaching and management when it comes to player personnel. It will be interesting to see the kind of years Hoglander and Petey have under Foote.

Agreed in part. Tocchet also called Dak out several times. Once showing up to camp unprepared. You have to believe that the Flyers would have done their due diligence and if he was such a Tocchet guy they would have been interested. Hey maybe they were and offered a 4th with retention.

I can tolerate their signing mistakes given their ability to move on from these mistakes. DAK for 3 years at 3.25 was a mistake.

Flyers I believe don’t have the cap space to absorb a large contract on a bottom 6 player like Joshua. I think they have $300,000 left on their cap. The Flyers have bigger needs. They’d have to shed contracts instead of just offing a pick for him like the leaves did. That’s what happens when you (the leaves) lose a player like Marner and Tavares re-ups for $7 million less per year. The leaves have $25 million in cap space. Not many teams in the NHL like the leaves at the moment who can absorb a big contract on a bottom 6 player who underperformed last season without shedding salary. Tocchet in Philly can be a Joshua guy all he likes, the Flyers weren’t in the position to do as such as what the leaves were capable of. The Canucks obviously were looking for team who could take Joshua’s contract without taking on salary in return. Are there a lot of teams out there capable of that? I don’t think so. A win for Vancouver, a smart move by Vancouver. I also gather Kane made Joshua redundant as well as Sherwood. And I also believe they see the cheaper O’Connor and Karlsson as his replacement. I believe they want to make room for Karlsson on the big club. He’s ready for full time duty, he’s earned it.

[Madcombinepilot]

Joshua has a contract below league average. Why would that be considered ‘big’ for a third line player?

[Madcombinepilot]

Dakota was a Tocchet guy, the coach loved him. More evidence of a not so harmonious relationship between coaching and management when it comes to player personnel. It will be interesting to see the kind of years Hoglander and Petey have under Foote.

Coach loved him when he called him out?

How does creating cap space from a trade so the team has room to address a need (center) constitute evidence of a ‘not so harmonious relationship between coaching and management’???

[Blob Mckenzie]

OMG the loss of Chytyl and Joshua would gut the team.

Joshua isn't an asshole or an agitator. He's like a big dopey Saint Bernard. We need a pit bull or two.

[Picker of Cherries]

Basically, it will be Karlsson replacing Joshua. Karlsson plays naturally grittier than Joshua, but probably won’t fight. I don’t know if Karlsson can play as well as Joshua did two years ago, but I don’t know if Joshua can play as well as he did that season again either. They’ve spent most of their cap space on wingers this off-season, so moving out someone made sense. It would have been a nice to keep Joshua around, but we won’t know if it was a good move until we see what they do with his cap space.