L-GDT: Canucks @ Jets Jan 14/25 5 PM PST SNP

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Re: L-GDT: Canucks @ Jets Jan 14/25 5 PM PST SNP

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theman wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:31 am
5thhorseman wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:23 am I expected him to bulk up a bit, add some strength. Especially after a deep run in the playoffs.
Yeah, he still looks tiny, I had hoped he would 'fill out' into his body frame but just hasn't seemed to. What is his listed playing weight now compared to when he was drafted?
Seemed to have found what I was looking for:

2017: 6' 1" - 167 pounds (listed on the hockey writers) https://thehockeywriters.com/2017-nhl-c ... s-weights/
2024: 6' 2" - 185 pounds (listed on puckpedia) https://puckpedia.com/player/elias-pettersson

I did see some stats that had Petey as 6' 1" - 180 pounds for this season.

Still seems to be very thing to me, I would hope that he could add at least another 10 pounds and not lose any speed or agility to his playing ability.
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Re: L-GDT: Canucks @ Jets Jan 14/25 5 PM PST SNP

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Blob Mckenzie wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 12:54 am Mëds. He played three years at a 935 K hit. Three years at a 7.35 m hit. The second three year deal could have been a duel 8 year thing for and both he and Quinn to have been signed in the neighborhood of 8.5 each and they'd have them locked for 8.5 each until 2029. But alas your guys' Genius made a mess and wan out of time.
Yes. I just said as much regarding the cap hit of his first deal.....I just made a point of mentioning that he actually got paid much more than that $935k. And there's little point using an ELC for any sort of discussion here because EVERY player has to sign a 3 year ELC (obviously some exceptions regarding age and eligibility, but few) and he was paid the max.
Either way he crushed the first two contracts and you and Wiebo and a few others have been licking your lips to murder the guy since the ink dried on his contract.

Your 1 million per ten points is outdated. You lack the ability to understand what the cap was when these deals were signed. Like what was the % when the air thief started to siphon money? Topper has backed Benning since day 1 on that deal. I assume you are aligned with him. Give the fucking guy a chance dude.
Not true. There's no anticipation or excitement in "murdering the guy". It's disappointment. When you've rooted for a team, as long as most of us have, only to watch them fail to build a serious consistent contender in over half a century, seeing them get burnt on bad contracts and trades, fall short of the prize again and again, the cold solace of "I was right all along" is a pretty hollow compensation.....so yeah, nobody is licking their lips to murder the guy.

Some of us have just grown to the point that we are quicker to take off the rose-coloured glasses and hope that ownership/management will stop doubling down on mistakes and move on.

Your comment regarding Eriksson is case-in-point on that. Eriksson was a good signing during that off-season. His own goal in his first game turned out to be an omen, the remainder of that first season was painful, but his history as a player made it worth keeping him into the second year to see if the ship would right itself. He ended up being a mistake that was compounded by 4 years of hand-sitting and unwillingness to move on by Elmer.

His cap hit and under-performance warranted moving him for anything, even waiving him for nothing if needed just to send a message that the goal of the team was results in the W column regardless of who was on the main roster.

That is what some of us, including YOU, wanted, and you said so repeatedly, because you saw the cap hit and the absence of performance. Eriksson was actually a reliable forward defensively, but for you that was not enough (nor should it have been) to warrant his salary. Loui was brought in to be a top-line forward to play with Hank and Dank, the expectation was that he would be a 30G/60+ point winger.....when he wasn't pulling his weight at the 41 game mark you were already screaming for his head. Same shit, different player right now. However, when a guy was milking the team for 8% of the salary cap you hated him and wanted him gone, but now you are OK with a player, in an even more key position, taking 13% of the team's cap space while being out performed by players making less than half his paycheque.

And yeah, the $1M per 10 points is a bit out-dated. Seems to be closer to $1.3M now. However, I very much understand what the overall percentage of salary cap each individual contract takes up. That is primary reason why I was not, and am not, a fan of this player and his contract.
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Re: L-GDT: Canucks @ Jets Jan 14/25 5 PM PST SNP

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theman wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 12:02 pm
theman wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:31 am
5thhorseman wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:23 am I expected him to bulk up a bit, add some strength. Especially after a deep run in the playoffs.
Yeah, he still looks tiny, I had hoped he would 'fill out' into his body frame but just hasn't seemed to. What is his listed playing weight now compared to when he was drafted?
Seemed to have found what I was looking for:

2017: 6' 1" - 167 pounds (listed on the hockey writers) https://thehockeywriters.com/2017-nhl-c ... s-weights/
2024: 6' 2" - 185 pounds (listed on puckpedia) https://puckpedia.com/player/elias-pettersson

I did see some stats that had Petey as 6' 1" - 180 pounds for this season.

Still seems to be very thing to me, I would hope that he could add at least another 10 pounds and not lose any speed or agility to his playing ability.
NHL.com lists him as 6' 2" - 176 lbs.

https://www.nhl.com/canucks/player/elia ... on-8480012
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Re: L-GDT: Canucks @ Jets Jan 14/25 5 PM PST SNP

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He has an obligation to his teammates and organization to do what is needed in the off season this year. No more excuses.

I don’t like his cap hit but still believe he can turn it around.
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Re: L-GDT: Canucks @ Jets Jan 14/25 5 PM PST SNP

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donlever wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:19 am
Mëds wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 7:52 pm In terms of production….

One guy is producing around his cap hit peers, the other is not.
Miller is far from innocent and is in the lever culpability doghouse now.

Step your fucking game up JT.

Ffs.
No question Donny.

I think the shittiest part about this is that when you look at their styles of play we should have another Naslund and Bertuzzi duo. A power-forward with underrated playmaking ability, a decent shot, and not afraid to mix it up. A sharpshooter with deadly hands, good passing, and high IQ. With the addition of Boeser that six-forty-nine line was good, and should be deadly.

Egos.

FFS.
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Re: L-GDT: Canucks @ Jets Jan 14/25 5 PM PST SNP

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2Fingers wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 1:53 pm He has an obligation to his teammates and organization to do what is needed in the off season this year. No more excuses.

I don’t like his cap hit but still believe he can turn it around.
There's a decent chance he can't actually put much mass on.
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Re: L-GDT: Canucks @ Jets Jan 14/25 5 PM PST SNP

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Cornuck wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:39 am I don't think any of us expected EP40 to start earning his big new salary right out of the gate - but on the other hand, we weren't expecting a continuation of his low production from last year. I don't think it's too much to have expected a point-per-game with near Selke play this year, and then build on that.
Considering his 102 point outburst 2 seasons ago, and his first half pace last season, I think it was very reasonable to expect that he would be earning that salary this season.
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Re: L-GDT: Canucks @ Jets Jan 14/25 5 PM PST SNP

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Blob Mckenzie wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 10:23 pm [MOD WARNING: This post contains scenes of Naked Aggression and Graphic Violence. Viewer Discretion is advised]

Whoa.... Miller is god on this board. The same outfit that is trashing Peter was trashing JT 18 months ago. When all they have is "Scooter" and "gutless Swede" it kinda seems like the Alberians are crossing provincial lines with TDM trying bootleg wine and to bring back cheap booze. Had some drinking water mixed with 5w30 and ham and sausage from retarded pigs.

Peter FAR OUTPERFORMED his previous contracts. Like not even close. Do you think these zealots will acknowledge that? Of course not. The first sign of a hiccup and the Pig Mask Crew is out. Think Nicholas Cage when he gets stuck on that island looking for a missing kid. Its sick really. Same type of people ran Pavel out of town.
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Re: L-GDT: Canucks @ Jets Jan 14/25 5 PM PST SNP

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Lol @ Doc. 😉

Mëds I am willing to give Peter a bit more leash yet. I am also disappointed in his play. I just think some folks are a little trigger happy to pounce on he guy. It may come down to moving both of these guys at the draft and re-shaping the team.
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Re: L-GDT: Canucks @ Jets Jan 14/25 5 PM PST SNP

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Blob Mckenzie wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 4:31 pm Lol @ Doc. 😉

Mëds I am willing to give Peter a bit more leash yet. I am also disappointed in his play. I just think some folks are a little trigger happy to pounce on he guy. It may come down to moving both of these guys at the draft and re-shaping the team.
Could be. That’s an eleventh hour move though. It feels like every draft day where it sounds like we’ve been close to making a splash the other team backs out because they’d rather roll the dice on their pick than pay the price Van asks.
Fuck that up and you could be stuck with something you’d rather not have for the next 7 years.
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