Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 3:59 pm
Chef is ready to roll…go for broke. Our window is now. I’m ok with moving any of Willander, Lekky and the 2025 1st to getterdun…Miller ain’t getting any younger.
Why are they trading their top young players? You whine about a thin pipeline, then you want to go all in. Which is it? The window can be 5 - 7 years. It doesn't have to be a year or two.
He must mean if they move one of our 2 top prospects for a legit difference maker.
I'm not sure I do that with the young defenseman but I would consider 3-4 years of a legitimate top pairing righty for lekkerinaki if that would present itself. (Better than Rasmus Andersson)
How about Trouba with term? He's the type of piece I'd like to add to the top 4 and is being quietly shopped apparently...would Lekki get er run?
but you can't keep trading for guys who are on big contracts. you've gotta have some young guys punching above their weight and their cap hit. that's an ELC for an 8 mil contract in that proposal.
sign me up to Blob's 5-7 year window. There are practically zero teams who've won it in the past 2 decades who didn't need multiple deep playoff runs before they finally won it all.
Yes. Stop trading our youth. We have a long window, and we need value contracts. Lindholm was an ok trade, but it is an unsustainable plan. "Win now" only shortens our window, and rarely does it pay off.
Also, dumping picks leads to overpayments for every one, including 3rd and 4th line scrubs when there is no push from below.
Tciso wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 8:11 am
Yes. Stop trading our youth. We have a long window, and we need value contracts. Lindholm was an ok trade, but it is an unsustainable plan. "Win now" only shortens our window, and rarely does it pay off.
Also, dumping picks leads to overpayments for every one, including 3rd and 4th line scrubs when there is no push from below.
Always thought the Canucks gave up too much in that trade, especially for a rental. Should have at least got a mid round pick back if they were giving up so many assets to get him.
Tciso wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 8:11 am
Yes. Stop trading our youth. We have a long window, and we need value contracts. Lindholm was an ok trade, but it is an unsustainable plan. "Win now" only shortens our window, and rarely does it pay off.
Also, dumping picks leads to overpayments for every one, including 3rd and 4th line scrubs when there is no push from below.
Always thought the Canucks gave up too much in that trade, especially for a rental. Should have at least got a mid round pick back if they were giving up so many assets to get him.
I like what he brought us during the playoffs but felt it was the wrong year to blow the wad. But admire Allvin for identifying his guy and making it happen. Unfortunately I think Crosby’s sidekick was the real guy they wanted and I think they thought they could make room somehow to add him as well. They couldn’t so that was that. And good thing because we would have lost a lot more of our future.
But who knew we would lose our starter?
Anyway, it was the wrong year to go big but Lindholm helped us get to the second round which I guess is big.
Tciso wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 8:11 am
Yes. Stop trading our youth. We have a long window, and we need value contracts. Lindholm was an ok trade, but it is an unsustainable plan. "Win now" only shortens our window, and rarely does it pay off.
Also, dumping picks leads to overpayments for every one, including 3rd and 4th line scrubs when there is no push from below.
Always thought the Canucks gave up too much in that trade, especially for a rental. Should have at least got a mid round pick back if they were giving up so many assets to get him.
If the Canucks gave up too much, then deadline deals for quality centers are always "too much." And maybe they are.
But what did the Canucks give up? A late 1st and a pretty decent prospect for a former third rounder. And then they shed salary with a sweetner (another former third) to make that happen.
Make no mistake, part of the Lindholm trade was offloading Kuzmenko, who was fine at that salary as a 30 goal scorer, but not as a one dimensional 15G 25A guy who would not be freed under Tockey Hockey (and beyond the system mismatch, might have Wellwooded himself into mediocrity). Getting rid of that liability for this upcoming season was part of the reason for the trade, and its part of why so many assets were moved. They weren't moved just to get Lindholm, but to get rid of Kuzmenko.
Decent game. 2-0 for the baby Canucks. Sasson and Felton with the goals. Their systems are looking good this early. Top line of Bains, Raty, and Lekkermaki looked solid. D Petey with the big Russian on D was a big solid paring.
Christian Felton looked really good on the right side D. He is 24 so older than a lot of the kids but he has wheels and his goal was pretty nice. He carried the puck and drove to the net getting a shot off and stayed with it to tap the rebound in.
Interesting note today. The Canucks reveal that had they beaten Edmonton in game 7 last spring they were set to bring Lekkermaki in, to replace Boeser until Boeser would have been cleared to play. They have a lot of confidence in the kid and you have to wonder if they will try to get him games this season if they already see him as a potential Boeser replacement. If he can make the jump sometime this season you have to believe that they may try to move Boeser. There would be huge cap savings there, as well as any asset they could get for Boeser.
It ain’t a new season without a “trade Boeser”post from HW…drop the puck, baby!!!! On that note, maybe they see Raty as Miller’s replacement this year. Trade Miller?
Not really. He's one of the hardest hitting dmen in the NHL on a top team.
He's a major league prick but that's the whole point no?
He would be unreal beside QH with Rick Tocchet and Adam Foote calling his number
Just because he hits hard doesn't make him a good player. You guys all had lovers nuts for Gudbranson too. How did that go?
I agree, Blobbee. Trouba’s game went off the rails when he started running players into the next world, intent on maiming…it’s no surprise NYR wants to move him, he’s got anger management issues.
The timing of the Lindholm rental was poor, it was bothersome seeing how Allvin and the old man turned into kids in a candy store at last years deadline, the team wasn’t quite there for those kind of future damaging moves. I didn’t mind the Zadarov pick up. A lower level rental pick up would’ve been less costly and more palatable to where the team is in the curve. A very disappointing trade by Chefs analytics. But it’s so Canucks, it’s a thing with this organization to make stupid long term impacting trades like that
So the 29th pick, a guy who wouldn't come back in his own zone unless he was shoved there by the opposition, a small offensive D man who had two roadblocks ahead of him and a beer leaguer is a huge price to pay? Keep in mind Tocchet was not going play Kuzmenko very much moving forward. So they did him a solid and dumps his contract off the books.
I don't love the move and wish they'd have parlayed the assets into a guy with another years term but it is what it is. At least they didn't double down and give Lindholm the deal Boston did. As bad as the Sutter deal was, the contract extension stung a lot more.
I like Hronek but I'm not sure if I like that deal yet. That said he's a better player than Trouba.
“I don’t care what you and some other poster were talking about”
Disagree about Lindholm. Never liked the timing of it. Should’ve saved that capital, stockpiled the assets for when we are truly ready to take a run. I worry we will see something similar come this years trade deadline, Ruthy can’t help himself in that department.
