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[Blob Mckenzie]

He as not a power forward whatsoever and there is no evidence power forwards take any more time than any other skater to develop.

Blob, I am not sure if your serious with this statement or simply have the summer boredoms and are stirring the shit pot.

In what way is he a power forward? and where is the evidence power forwards take longer than other skaters to develop?

[Lancer]

As others have noted, in hindsight Podz and the rest of us should have seen the writing on the wall when the likes of Heinen, Sherwood and Sprong were signed. With maybe Heinen as an exception, they were in competition for the same job in Vancouver as Podz, and why would management sign free agents to play in spots that could be filled by in-house talent, unless they didn't have confidence in their in-house talent? Podkolzin would have had to have had a revelatory monster training camp to snag that spot - something that he hasn't come close to doing.

Timing seems a little weird; I can see why they wouldn't want to wait for training camp, but if he wasn't in their plans as of this summer why didn't they trade him earlier? Perhaps they did drop in on his off-season training and came away less than impressed?

Bit of a sin that a #10 overall pick underwhelmed. Then again Vancouver has never had luck at that spot when you consider the likes of Ference, Bourdon and Hodgson. As much as it sucks to piss away a top-10 pick, looking at the 2019 draft the class is, by and large, quite moribund. You can quibble about Benning selecting Caufield or Boldy instead of Podkolzin, but the remainder of the first round doesn't have many stars-in-waiting; mostly depth pieces of varying value. Benning missed with this pick, but so did a lot of other teams.

[Madcombinepilot]

He as not a power forward whatsoever and there is no evidence power forwards take any more time than any other skater to develop.

Blob, I am not sure if your serious with this statement or simply have the summer boredoms and are stirring the shit pot.

In what way is he a power forward? and where is the evidence power forwards take longer than other skaters to develop?

Well, In that he plays a big mans style of game. Gets in on the forecheck, hits hard (not meaning often), grinds, can score.. was touted as a new age power forward when drafted and has pretty much always been equated to such by everyone else except you..

Vasili Podkolzin's Player Profile 2019
Cam Robinson - Dobber Prospects May 15th: "An absolute pit bull. Podkolzin offers high-end offensive awareness, lightning quick hands and a confrontational style. Despite some muted point totals coming from his club team, he’s made a habit of showing up in a big way on the international stage."

so, kinda drafted as a powerforward, and talked about the same kinda way for most of his development.

Now, as to my (and others) comment on these types of players tend to develop slower, perhaps look to players like: Bertuzzi, Neely, Owen Nolan, Getzlaf, Mackinnon, etc (just wanted to name a few) all developed later in their careers, and many were considered busts by teams and moved before the age of 23. even a lot of the 'second tier' powerforward guys who never played top 6 develop later (Joshua is a good example here).

[Megaterio Llamas]

I was convinced they planned to work with him for a while longer when they signed him to a two year contract. As others have mentioned, this looks like Tocchet doesn't want him around. He now has two years in a new organization to make it happen for himself and I wish him luck. I'm not at all worried about getting burned here, he has at best bottom six upside and he has yet to prove it in three years pro.

[Todd Bersnoozi]

It has to be the Russian factor.

Yah, kinda odd, all our Russian doods are gone now. When we got Mikheyev, he kinda served as a bridge/mentor/comrade to help Kuzzy & Podz settle into the NHL. It worked with Kuzzy that first year, Podz not so much. We even had Sergei Gonchar on the coaching staff, a supposed key guy to get the best of of them.

Then we got Zaddy91. Tocc was a bit slow to warm up to him @ first, but Zaddy quickly worked his way into the good books. The way Zaddy played, how can any coach not like? He's gone too. I think mgmt and Tocc did want him back, but they couldn't match that contract.

[Blob Mckenzie]

He as not a power forward whatsoever and there is no evidence power forwards take any more time than any other skater to develop.

Blob, I am not sure if your serious with this statement or simply have the summer boredoms and are stirring the shit pot.

In what way is he a power forward? and where is the evidence power forwards take longer than other skaters to develop?

Well, In that he plays a big mans style of game. Gets in on the forecheck, hits hard (not meaning often), grinds, can score.. was touted as a new age power forward when drafted and has pretty much always been equated to such by everyone else except you..

Vasili Podkolzin's Player Profile 2019
Cam Robinson - Dobber Prospects May 15th: "An absolute pit bull. Podkolzin offers high-end offensive awareness, lightning quick hands and a confrontational style. Despite some muted point totals coming from his club team, he’s made a habit of showing up in a big way on the international stage."

so, kinda drafted as a powerforward, and talked about the same kinda way for most of his development.

Now, as to my (and others) comment on these types of players tend to develop slower, perhaps look to players like: Bertuzzi, Neely, Owen Nolan, Getzlaf, Mackinnon, etc (just wanted to name a few) all developed later in their careers, and many were considered busts by teams and moved before the age of 23. even a lot of the 'second tier' powerforward guys who never played top 6 develop later (Joshua is a good example here).

I mean he bumps guys...., he sure as hell doesn't run them over. He isn't a power forward imho. Who are all these folks here proclaiming him to be a power forward? I mean some folks on this board thought Jake Virtanen was a power forward, but he clearly was not, and again, I've yet to see this evidence that "power forwards" take any longer to develop than any other skater.

[Blob Mckenzie]

And MCP you are 1/5 on your five examples of these late blooming power forwards. You got Bert correct. The other four guys were lighting it up between the age 21 - 23. Back to the drawing board.

[Strangelove]

As others have noted, in hindsight Podz and the rest of us should have seen the writing on the wall when the likes of Heinen, Sherwood and Sprong were signed. With maybe Heinen as an exception, they were in competition for the same job in Vancouver as Podz, and why would management sign free agents to play in spots that could be filled by in-house talent, unless they didn't have confidence in their in-house talent?

Makes sense.

[Blob Mckenzie]

I am not down on Podz but if one looks back at his numbers in all the Russian leagues, the AHL etc, they were pretty pathetic. He had a promising rookie season under Loosey Goosey Brucey, but has floundered since. It wasn't a great draft but if he can't beat out a scrub like PDG that's pretty alarming.

[Strangelove]

I am not down on Podz but if one looks back at his numbers in all the Russian leagues, the AHL etc, they were pretty pathetic. He had a promising rookie season under Loosey Goosey Brucey, but has floundered since. It wasn't a great draft but if he can't beat out a scrub like PDG that's pretty alarming.

All true, but fans everywhere tend to have a hard time giving up on overhyped first-rounders.

As noted above though, much easier to do when he becomes a filthy fucking oiler.

[Madcombinepilot]

And MCP you are 1/5 on your five examples of these late blooming power forwards. You got Bert correct. The other four guys were lighting it up between the age 21 - 23. Back to the drawing board.

Shure.
You win.

[Chef Boi RD]

Players drafted in the 4th round over 10 year draft span between 2008 and 2017 who made an impact in the NHL:

2008 - 3 - Holtby, Brodie, Nyqvist
2009 - 5 - Craig Smith, Ekholm, Vatanen, Marcus Foligno, Ben Chariot
2010 - 0
2011 - 2 - Pageau, Gaudreau
2012 - 1 - Josh Anderson
2013 - 5 - Saros, Wood, Paul, Graves, Copp, Motte
2014 - 6 - Toews, Arvidsson, Heinen, Lafferty, Bunting, Shesterkin
2015 - 2 - Matthieu Joseph, Nicolas Roy
2016 - 1 - Duhaime
2017 - 3 - Anderson, Swayman, Batherson

I guess the only argument against this trade would be, due to the shit show numbers in 4th round picks ever panning out, isn’t the risk/reward greater by giving a 23 year old Podkolzin one more kick at the can to see if he can evolve into a player than by trading him for a “4th round pick”?

My answer would be yes. If he doesn’t work out, we waive him, lose him for nothing, big fucking deal, whoopdie do to the 4th round pick.

I think they chose “optics” over everything, the criticisms for trading him now for a shite asset is better than the criticisms they’d receive for losing him through the waiver wire for nothing.

I would’ve preferred giving him one more chance

[Hockey Widow]

Dhaliwal now speculating that the Canucks may, or may not be, worried about Demko’s rehab. He is saying Demko’s rehab may or may not be going well and he may or may not be ready to start camp or maybe the season.

Through all of this speculation he acknowledges radio silence from the Canucks in answering his questions about Demko’s rehab. In fact it is that radio silence that has him making these bold insights.

Given that, he is now speculating that the Canucks may or may not be looking to add a seasoned vet as insurance. Which may or may not happen before camp. He then cites a few vets that they may or may not be looking to add.

So my take, Dhaliwal may or may not be into something which would explain, maybe why they freed up a contract slot and why they might or might not have traded Podkolzin for a draft pick and they may or may not use in part his 1 million in cap space.

Just my take, maybe.

[Chef Boi RD]

Daliwahl is a beaut, protecting his commentary, that is right out of Elliote Friedman’s bag o tricks - “may or may not”.

Just a whole bunch of spit ballin’

[theman]

Dhaliwal now speculating that the Canucks may, or may not be, worried about Demko’s rehab. He is saying Demko’s rehab may or may not be going well and he may or may not be ready to start camp or maybe the season.

Through all of this speculation he acknowledges radio silence from the Canucks in answering his questions about Demko’s rehab. In fact it is that radio silence that has him making these bold insights.

Given that, he is now speculating that the Canucks may or may not be looking to add a seasoned vet as insurance. Which may or may not happen before camp. He then cites a few vets that they may or may not be looking to add.

So my take, Dhaliwal may or may not be into something which would explain, maybe why they freed up a contract slot and why they might or might not have traded Podkolzin for a draft pick and they may or may not use in part his 1 million in cap space.

Just my take, maybe.

I may or may not be agreeing with your interpretation of his comments. We may or may not see if he was or was not correct in his analysis.