L-GDT - Boouns at Canucks, 7pm PST, SNP, CBC(?)

[donlever]

We don't have to all get along at this here GDHTMB.

I think most of us get along just fine.

[Topper]

Fuck Off

[Cornuck]

No drama necessary in this Corner.

Exactly - I couldn't imagine how I would be posting if I was dealing with Mëds' day job - might be miserable? might be sarcastic? might be dark?

[donlever]

Fuck Off

...and yes, as noted above, Mëds deals with Zombie Warriors every day.

Challenging to say the least....

[Chef Boi RD]

Mëds does have access to all the good Mëds not available without prescribing. He could be micro-dosing OxyContin to help him deal with the apocalypse at work and the Eliascalypse after work.

[Carl Yagro]

Speaking of fucking off... what happened 2Fingers?

[rats19]

Speaking of fucking off... what happened 2Fingers?

He fucked off

[Meds]

Mëds does have access to all the good Mëds not available without prescribing. He could be micro-dosing OxyContin to help him deal with the apocalypse at work and the Eliascalypse after work.

No. Mëds does not have access to all of those.

Mëds is blunt, yes. There's no loathing undertone, just simple observation.

The Swede hate? Nah. I like 'em fine, just don't think many of them actually pan out into top players that can LEAD a team in the playoffs. I think history there speaks for itself.....I also think that Vancouver has a lover affair with Swedes over the history of the franchise, and not a single one of them has ever become what we needed in post-season play.

[Strangelove]

Speaking of fucking off... what happened 2Fingers?

He fucked off

... because people kept telling him to fuck off.

[5thhorseman]

I was pretty sure that Mëds loathes Trudeau and all things woke, but I guess I was wrong

Yeah, we all do get along for the most part. Too bad Reef isn't here to see it Maybe it was more than shits and giggles for him.

[Chef Boi RD]

Two many fingers of whiskey may have put Reef in rehab

[JelloPuddingPop]

Mëds does have access to all the good Mëds not available without prescribing. He could be micro-dosing OxyContin to help him deal with the apocalypse at work and the Eliascalypse after work.

No. Mëds does not have access to all of those.

Mëds is blunt, yes. There's no loathing undertone, just simple observation.

The Swede hate? Nah. I like 'em fine, just don't think many of them actually pan out into top players that can LEAD a team in the playoffs. I think history there speaks for itself.....I also think that Vancouver has a lover affair with Swedes over the history of the franchise, and not a single one of them has ever become what we needed in post-season play.

There is definitely some loathing for the Swede, you've been pretty blunt about that.

I get the Swede isn't playing up to the 11.6 right now, but has previously - and can again. Currently he is definitely playing at Miller's 8 Million dollar level - and would an extra 3.6 million be nice to have? For sure - would buy a decent 4th defenseman, or a great 5-6. Which the team needs. But the owners and GM signed that deal, know exactly what they had with him - we just speculate. He has gone through medicals, and I'm sure they are well aware of any issues with this player - and still signed it. I think this mgmt. team know he can be a game changer, and will be. Players go through slumps, have to change things up etc. I just don't see the need to CONSTANTLY get down on him. Why not add something else to the table?

Imagine constantly talking about how Miller's brain is broken and if he will live up to that 8 million going forward?

The team also needs a guy who can score. If you didn't sign Petey, trade him? Let him walk? Would you get a threat like him back? Or a bunch of pieces you hope work out. Out of all the speculation that has been floated, available trade pieces - I wouldn't make one of them. It would be a step backwards offensively, and I really don't want to watch the NY Islanders-type hockey. It sucks.

Necas is going to sign his new deal, and it will be in the 10 million dollar range. For a guy who before this year, has never cracked 100pts (if he continues this year?). Petey at least earned his $$$. It will be the same type of signing, hoping he lives up to this contract. For those of you wishing we moved Petey for him - wait a couple of years and lets revisit this. Should be interesting.

[Meds]

Mëds does have access to all the good Mëds not available without prescribing. He could be micro-dosing OxyContin to help him deal with the apocalypse at work and the Eliascalypse after work.

No. Mëds does not have access to all of those.

Mëds is blunt, yes. There's no loathing undertone, just simple observation.

The Swede hate? Nah. I like 'em fine, just don't think many of them actually pan out into top players that can LEAD a team in the playoffs. I think history there speaks for itself.....I also think that Vancouver has a lover affair with Swedes over the history of the franchise, and not a single one of them has ever become what we needed in post-season play.

There is definitely some loathing for the Swede, you've been pretty blunt about that.

For this particular Swede? Still no. No loathing. Just assessment, the same as I did for Edler, the Sedins, and even Ohlund to a degree.

I get the Swede isn't playing up to the 11.6 right now, but has previously - and can again. Currently he is definitely playing at Miller's 8 Million dollar level - and would an extra 3.6 million be nice to have? For sure - would buy a decent 4th defenseman, or a great 5-6. Which the team needs. But the owners and GM signed that deal, know exactly what they had with him - we just speculate. He has gone through medicals, and I'm sure they are well aware of any issues with this player - and still signed it. I think this mgmt. team know he can be a game changer, and will be. Players go through slumps, have to change things up etc. I just don't see the need to CONSTANTLY get down on him. Why not add something else to the table?

A slump is something that lasts a few weeks to a couple of months. This is going on 10 months, and anyone who watched him in his first few seasons could see that there were times where he seemed to be floating, going through the motions, pouting, and certainly that he was easy to move off of the puck. He has very rarely been able to beat a defender one-on-one or create space to get his own shot off. He has never shown leadership characteristics. Most of us who get down on him are doing so because we are venting over the fact that he's not living up to his contract.....which a few of us are rather unsurprised by but nonetheless vexed by the signing.

Imagine constantly talking about how Miller's brain is broken and if he will live up to that 8 million going forward?

JT struggled out of the gate, but was still putting up numbers that were close to his contract value, albeit a bit lower than his past few seasons. The difference is that he was struggling mentally, put up his hand and told the team he needed time to sort it. He has 19 points in 19 games right now, certainly good value for his AAV. His FOW% is 59.6% (something that the overall team stat saw plummet in his absence).

IF (and that's a BIG if) EP40 is injured or having trouble mentally, then he should do what JT did and take time away. Last year he sucked ass down the stretch and through the playoffs and then came out and announced tendinitis in his knee.....which the coaches and management were caught rather unawares of. Then he comes in this year and people are rumour mongering that he has a nagging wrist injury which is why his shot is absent and his passing blows and his handle on the puck isn't quite there. But nobody is shutting him down, and he's not shutting himself down. So I'd say that the physical injury rumours are nonsense, because if he can't play because of that then the team (if aware) would likely sit him until that's dealt with. If his brain is broken then he should sit himself like JT did and come back ready to contribute.

That's why nobody has been talking about Miller's broken brain, because it's never been a thing and when it was it was dealt with.
The team also needs a guy who can score. If you didn't sign Petey, trade him? Let him walk? Would you get a threat like him back? Or a bunch of pieces you hope work out. Out of all the speculation that has been floated, available trade pieces - I wouldn't make one of them. It would be a step backwards offensively, and I really don't want to watch the NY Islanders-type hockey. It sucks.

Necas is going to sign his new deal, and it will be in the 10 million dollar range. For a guy who before this year, has never cracked 100pts (if he continues this year?). Petey at least earned his $$$. It will be the same type of signing, hoping he lives up to this contract. For those of you wishing we moved Petey for him - wait a couple of years and lets revisit this. Should be interesting.

You're right, Necas is going to sign a new deal after next season. However, the trade was allegedly proposed in the middle of last season when Necas was a pending RFA. The Hurricanes let him get to RFA and then negotiated a 2 year contract @ $6.5M per. At the time of the alleged trade offer Canucks probably could have made the deal and then signed him to something similar to JT's contract. At that point he wasn't pumping in points like he is now, so I actually could have seen him coming in around $7.5M over 6 years.

I actually don't think the Canucks know what they have in Pettersson. I think they are blinded by flashes of good play and one season of fairly steady elite production. Take that one season away and he is a 75 point guy who gets pushed around easily. I don't see $11.6M there at all. Management got bent over by Petey and his agent because they were afraid to make the smart, but potentially unpopular and risky, move while he was holding out for big money during a season where he was actually regressing.

[JelloPuddingPop]

I actually don't think the Canucks know what they have in Pettersson. I think they are blinded by flashes of good play and one season of fairly steady elite production. Take that one season away and he is a 75 point guy who gets pushed around easily. I don't see $11.6M there at all. Management got bent over by Petey and his agent because they were afraid to make the smart, but potentially unpopular and risky, move while he was holding out for big money during a season where he was actually regressing.

Take that one season away, and he is still a .94 pts/game - through his first 5 years in the league. That is some high end production for a young guy, who is just now hitting his prime. Elite.

Add the penalty killing, and his power play prowess - he is a great player Mëds. Is he a 11.6M player? Not at this point, but to 5th's point earlier (I think it was him) - he should grow into this contract. He was vastly under paid when scoring 102pts. Now he is overpaid for this level of contribution - but that doesn't mean next year, or through the rest of this contract he will continue to be.

When Hughes signs his 14M per year contract - and doesn't score 82 pts in a season - will that make him a target for your "bluntness?"

I just don't think because he makes 11.6 - he is a bad player which is what it seems most are saying. You are either worth your contract, or you aren't a good player? I don't see that line - I think you can underperform your contract, but still contribute at a high level for a portion of the time of your contract. You just hope its not the entire portion of it, or even a major portion - which I don't think it will be.

[Meds]

I actually don't think the Canucks know what they have in Pettersson. I think they are blinded by flashes of good play and one season of fairly steady elite production. Take that one season away and he is a 75 point guy who gets pushed around easily. I don't see $11.6M there at all. Management got bent over by Petey and his agent because they were afraid to make the smart, but potentially unpopular and risky, move while he was holding out for big money during a season where he was actually regressing.

Take that one season away, and he is still a .94 pts/game - through his first 5 years in the league. That is some high end production for a young guy, who is just now hitting his prime. Elite.

Add the penalty killing, and his power play prowess - he is a great player Mëds. Is he a 11.6M player? Not at this point, but to 5th's point earlier (I think it was him) - he should grow into this contract. He was vastly under paid when scoring 102pts. Now he is overpaid for this level of contribution - but that doesn't mean next year, or through the rest of this contract he will continue to be.

Look at the players who are paid similarly to him, even drop the criteria down from $12M to $8M (JT Miller) to factor for age of the original contract signing/inflation etc.....how many of those guys disappear for long stretches the way he does? How many of those guys do the media and fans preach patience with and excuse things because of age and maturity? He is paid to be a game changer that consistently CARRIES his line, if not the team. He is not that player and has never been that player out side of a few flashes. He is a guy who can contribute points but has definitely proven that he wilts under heavy pressure.

When Hughes signs his 14M per year contract - and doesn't score 82 pts in a season - will that make him a target for your "bluntness?"

If his production drops because he just doesn't appear engaged, and his overall game just seems shitty, then yes. I will always be blunt when a guy who makes more money in a single season than I will in my career, phones it in, or fails to meet his expectations. Doesn't mean I loathe the individual.

I just don't think because he makes 11.6 - he is a bad player which is what it seems most are saying. You are either worth your contract, or you aren't a good player? I don't see that line - I think you can underperform your contract, but still contribute at a high level for a portion of the time of your contract. You just hope its not the entire portion of it, or even a major portion - which I don't think it will be.

You'll note (or you won't, I don't care which) that I advocated trading him prior to this contract for the very reason that his contract was going to be overvalue for what we would get from him as a player. Had they signed him for $8.5M I wouldn't be as blunt about this, but they didn't. Also, note that the player is the one who held out for the big money that he thought he was worth.....and he's the one not living up to it.

I think that I can underperform at my job now too. Someone doesn't make it, or loses a limb that could have been saved, yeah that's ok so long as it only happens a few times a year and for no more than a few months in a row.

Allowing for some "underperformance" due to circumstances outside one's control is a thing, in pro sports you have to allow for individual statistical shortfall because of bounces, stepped up opposing competition, and teammate factors.....but these things need to be transient. Superstars, and let's be honest here and recognize that he clearly IS paid like a superstar, need to have those transient times be very brief because their level of talent and character see's them elevate. We have not seen that. He does not push through adversity, he does not rise to the occasion, and he gets butt hurt when a teammate calls him out in practice.

I have said it before, Pettersson is a good top line support player. You put him on a line with someone like MacKinnon and I bet he scores 60 goals and 120 points when MacKinnon is cranked up and notching 40 and 140. You put him on a line with Bo Horvat and you'll have what we have now. 25-30 goals and 75-80 points a year. Pettersson will probably live up to his contract value in 6 years when the cap is way up and 80 point players are making upwards of $10M.