It's getting warm

[Strangelove]

Mess with Mother Nature and she will kick your ass.

But we can control the climate. LOL

Yes

LOL

[Topper]

I mean, you must have noticed it’s getting warmer right?

We had a wonderfully cool summer in southern BC. It was very pleasant. There was frost this morning where I'm working in central BC.

Slightly different weather than the past two years.

[Topper]

Mess with Mother Nature and she will kick your ass.

But we can control the climate. LOL

Yes

In a fish tank.

[Per]

I mean, you must have noticed it’s getting warmer right?

We had a wonderfully cool summer in southern BC. It was very pleasant. There was frost this morning where I'm working in central BC.

Slightly different weather than the past two years.

Right, but now you are talking weather rather than climate...

If you instead consider eg the ten year average, it’s slowly trending upward.
Glaciers are shrinking at an accelerating rate, coral reefs are dying from rising temperatures, forest fires increase in size and prevalence.... it’s kind of hard not to notice.

[Cousin Strawberry]

Imagine how far those glaciers shrank before humanity was able to start taxing carbon footprints....justin time!

[Topper]

Ten years lol

How did those corals get atop the Alps and the Rockies? How were the fjords you pine for, carved? Hmm, we did have couple of severe fire years. The fires were concentrated in areas devastated to past couple of decades by endemic pine beetle infestations. That created a forest floor littered with fuel. Aboriginals in the area claim it was a grassland a century ago.

[Per]

Ten years lol

How did those corals get atop the Alps and the Rockies? How were the fjords you pine for, carved? Hmm, we did have couple of severe fire years. The fires were concentrated in areas devastated to past couple of decades by endemic pine beetle infestations. That created a forest floor littered with fuel. Aboriginals in the area claim it was a grassland a century ago.

Corals on top of rockies and alps? OK, that's a much longer time frame, we're talking tetonic plates shifting etc, so we're in millions of years.

The fiords were designed by Slartibartfast, who even got an award for them. Haven't you read THHGTTG?

The fires were concentrated in areas devastated to past couple of decades by endemic pine beetle infestations?
Hmmm... Greece, Portugal, Siberia, Aistralia, Amazon rain forest? Those pine beetles sure get around a lot.....

But you must have noted it's getting warmer.

Over the past seven decades, the number of extreme heat days in Europe has steadily increased, while the number of extreme cold days has decreased, according to new research. Alarmingly, this trend is happening at rates faster than those proposed by climate models.

For most Europeans, this new study will hardly come as a surprise. This summer, for example, temperatures in southern France reached a record 46 degrees Celsius (114.8 degrees Fahrenheit), with similar temperature extremes happening at other locations on the continent.

Indeed, Europe is getting progressively hotter, and the data bears this out. What’s disturbing, however, and as new research published today in Geophysical Research Letters points out, this warming trend is occurring faster than the projections churned out by most European climate models. And as the new paper also notes, the observed increases in temperatures “cannot be explained by internal variability.” In other words, this warming trend is the result of human-caused climate change.

https://earther.gizmodo.com/europe-is-w ... 1837669154

As for the glaciers...

The world's glaciers are shrinking five times faster now than they were in the 1960s. Their melt is accelerating due to global warming, and adding more water to already rising seas, the study found.

"Over 30 years suddenly almost all regions started losing mass at the same time,'' said lead author Michael Zemp, director of the World Glacier Monitoring Service at the University of Zurich. "That's clearly climate change if you look at the global picture.''

https://www.voanews.com/science-health/ ... er-thought

Ötzi, the ice man, is an example of how glaciers are disappearing. He died in the Alps some 5300 years ago, and was shortly thereafter covered by snow and ice. He remained covered by that snow and ice until it thawed away in 1991 and he was discovered by some mountain climbers.

Thanks to these coincidences, we have learnt a lot of copper age/late neolithic Europe, as we for the first time have clothes, a rucksack, a quiver, etc from this long ago. Normally you don't find a lot more than stones and bones from that time period.

If it weren't for glaciers first having expanded over his dead body, and then (thanks to global warming) in recent years retracted, we would not have received this time capsule from the late stone age, which has revolutionised what we know of that era.

https://donsmaps.com/otzi.html

[Per]

So, as examplified by Ötzi, one of the upsides of global warming is that it has created a new field within archeology - glacial archeology, where archeologists hang out at the receding glaciers and collect the millennia old objects that are released as the ice thaws.

https://qz.com/1697545/climate-change-i ... chaeology/

https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-o ... om-the-ice

https://secretsoftheice.com/

This is some really cool stuff!

[Mickey107]

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Per; Would you support a worldwide ban on all commercial and military aircraft flying above 10,000 feet?
If you cannot answer an outright yes, then; ?
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Just call me a party pooper. .

[Cousin Strawberry]

I have a thought regarding all this...

Why haven't vegetable gardens and home greenhouses become a more viable alternative? When we were kids everyone had one but there are hardly any now. Why?

It seems to me it would be a fantastic idea ya? I grow quite a bit in my ghetto greenhouse these days. Everything from broccoli to lettuce...its actually pretty fuckin easy.

[Per]

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Per; Would you support a worldwide ban on all commercial and military aircraft flying above 10,000 feet?
If you cannot answer an outright yes, then; ?
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Just call me a party pooper. .

No, I don’t believe in going backwards, back to the stone age.
Instead I applaud the Norwegians that have passed legislation that all domestic flights must use electric planes by 2030.
There is also a proposal in Germany to ban domestic flights.

I will continue to fly when going abroad, but usually take the train within Sweden, and I think airlines should be encouraged to use energy efficient aircraft, and refrain from fossil fuels to the largest extent possible. At present bio-fuels for aircraft are not readily available. They exist, but production is far too limited and the product is still way too expensive. But rather than banning flights or having a one-size-fits-all flight tax, I think they should tax the fuel consumption, and exempt And maybe even pass legislation to phase out fossil fuels asap.

I believe in solving problems through science and technology.

The problem isn’t airplanes. The problem is fossil fuels.
Rather than banning airplanes, we need to find other ways to propel them.

[Topper]

For years we have been prospecting the newly exposed rocks as glaciers recede at a rate slightly slower than Baubles hairline.

[Topper]

Slash and burn agriculture that is the main source of the fires you mention, predates the industrial revolution and is poverty related in modern times.

[Per]

I have a thought regarding all this...

Why haven't vegetable gardens and home greenhouses become a more viable alternative? When we were kids everyone had one but there are hardly any now. Why?

It seems to me it would be a fantastic idea ya? I grow quite a bit in my ghetto greenhouse these days. Everything from broccoli to lettuce...its actually pretty fuckin easy.

We probably could grow more. We do have lettuce, dill, parsley, chives, basil and mint though.
Always important to have fresh mint for your mojitos.

We also have apples, pears, plums, sweet cherries, sour cherries, grapes, gooseberries, blackberries, raspberries, red and black currants, rhubarb and strawberries. Guess I prioritize desserts over veggies...

[Mickey107]

.
Per; Would you support a worldwide ban on all commercial and military aircraft flying above 10,000 feet?
If you cannot answer an outright yes, then; ?
.
.
.
Just call me a party pooper. .

No, I don’t believe in going backwards, back to the stone age.
Instead I applaud the Norwegians that have passed legislation that all domestic flights must use electric planes by 2030.
There is also a proposal in Germany to ban domestic flights.

I will continue to fly when going abroad, but usually take the train within Sweden, and I think airlines should be encouraged to use energy efficient aircraft, and refrain from fossil fuels to the largest extent possible. At present bio-fuels for aircraft are not readily available. They exist, but production is far too limited and the product is still way too expensive. But rather than banning flights or having a one-size-fits-all flight tax, I think they should tax the fuel consumption, and exempt And maybe even pass legislation to phase out fossil fuels asap.

I believe in solving problems through science and technology.

The problem isn’t airplanes. The problem is fossil fuels.
Rather than banning airplanes, we need to find other ways to propel them.

Nice try. Aint gonna happen. Well, maybe nuclear powered aircraft, if mankind is around that long.
Norway is speaking of light aircraft that need not reach high altitudes. They are also speaking of their own only.