Canucks News N Notes 26-27

[Meds]

It's a case of "what would you rather have"?

Meaty?

Or

Oleksiak and a 1st round pick?

While Benning and JR/PA drove the team into the ditch, I'm not sure what people are actually hoping for when they complain about what was done today.

[Nuckertuzzi]

And slightly cheaper ticket with 3 yrs less term. Plus a chance to flip for another asset if all goes well.

Nah I'd rather have Meaty so I can enjoy 5 more years of overrated and inconsistent defensive play.

[donlever]

It's also about rebuilding the room that has apparently (allegedly) been fractured for some time.

Gallagher
Oleksiak
Schenn

...all team first guys who keep a room honest.

By reports I've seen while digging into the dude Cotter is that guy as well....a keep them loose dude with a keep the boys honest sense of humour.

Culture change badly needed.

Culture change satisfied in a few weeks.

Box checked.

[Todd Bersnoozi]

Getting a first and a third for Meaty and Hoglander and replacing them with Gallagher and Oleksiak who may be trade able for more picks this year or next is a tidy piece of work. I approve.

I thought M-Petey was a strong stay-at-home defender when we first got him (like almost Chris Tanev good), but he did struggle last season. I'm surprised we got a 1st for him, thought he might fetch a 2nd or 3rd rounder if we lucky, so can't complain to that. Used the cap space to get Oleksiak, he's built like Zaddy, but prob doesn't play with the same physical edge. That's fine, at least he's not a bird bones like M-Petey. I noticed that they call Oleksiak, the Big Rig!

I was hoping to add a centreman, preferably a RS guy. The potential guys that I thought might be a good fit were Charlie Coyle, Boone Jenner or Colton Sissons. Coyle re-signed with CBJ. Jenner signed with the Caps. Sissons signed with leaves. Oh well, Jenner's and Sissons' deals doesn't really fit with where the Nucks are currently at. They would have helped, but wouldn't have moved the needle for the team very much.

We did get a RS centre in Akil Thomas though. He was a former 2nd round pick and a high scorer in juniors, but most likely an Abby guy. I'm really curious what kind of game he has and how he does @ camp. We do have some centres coming in the system now (3 of them RS), so it's not something we need to overpay for.

It is awesome to get Schenner back: charcater guy, great vet and plays a heavy physical game. What's there not to like?

Lastly picked up Cotter. From what I can see of his highlight reel, seems to be a big guy with great wheels, kinda like another DOC18. 1 yr deal, why not? Give him a chance to see if he can take his game to another lvl.

[Meds]

Getting a first and a third for Meaty and Hoglander and replacing them with Gallagher and Oleksiak who may be trade able for more picks this year or next is a tidy piece of work. I approve.

I thought M-Petey was a strong stay-at-home defender when we first got him (like almost Chris Tanev good), but he did struggle last season. I'm surprised we got a 1st for him, thought he might fetch a 2nd or 3rd rounder if we lucky, so can't complain to that.

Yeah, I had hoped the same when we acquired him. But when you're listed at 6'2" 175lbs, you're gonna get abused in the West. He's wiry AF, so he survived without injury, but he just got manhandled.

[Nuckertuzzi]

Was surprised at how little poise he had with the puck when he first got here, making a lot of boneheaded mistakes. Nothing like Tanev at all.

What I'm most floored about is not only did we somehow score a 1st for him, we got it from a team that could/should be near the bottom of the standings in 4 years time. Nice to fleece someone else for a change.

The hardest part of RJ's job in the next 4 years is to slap Aquaturd's hand away when he inevitably asks to move the pick for more immediate help. No man, sit on that one and let it play out. Even if the Rangers somehow manage some good years, a 1st anywhere is still valuable. Can't see anything lower than mid-high teens...better chance it's a lottery ticket.

[5thhorseman]

RJ actually thinks he will still be GM in 5 years' time? Man, that's optimism!

[Kenji]

Optimistic or not, it’s a defensible position - a 1st rounder is an asset. RJ could put it in a package too

[Meds]

What I'm most floored about is not only did we somehow score a 1st for him, we got it from a team that could/should be near the bottom of the standings in 4 years time. Nice to fleece someone else for a change.

The hardest part of RJ's job in the next 4 years is to slap Aquaturd's hand away when he inevitably asks to move the pick for more immediate help.

I would move that pick if it moved up into a top-10 pick in an earlier draft.....but that's about it.

[Nuckertuzzi]

What I'm most floored about is not only did we somehow score a 1st for him, we got it from a team that could/should be near the bottom of the standings in 4 years time. Nice to fleece someone else for a change.

The hardest part of RJ's job in the next 4 years is to slap Aquaturd's hand away when he inevitably asks to move the pick for more immediate help.

I would move that pick if it moved up into a top-10 pick in an earlier draft.....but that's about it.

Yes, for sure. Just no mid-20's or over established player to help speed things up. Of course all depends on the circumstances and where we're at in development by then, but I don't see any pathway to contendership in the next 4 years so must resist any of those type of moves. Shit like that is exactly what kept our wheels perpetually spinning the past 15 years and lead us to where we are now.

[UWSaint]

What I'm most floored about is not only did we somehow score a 1st for him, we got it from a team that could/should be near the bottom of the standings in 4 years time. Nice to fleece someone else for a change.

The hardest part of RJ's job in the next 4 years is to slap Aquaturd's hand away when he inevitably asks to move the pick for more immediate help.

I would move that pick if it moved up into a top-10 pick in an earlier draft.....but that's about it.

I think the nice thing about the pick being in 2030 is that by the time we get to the start of 2030, its best use may or may not be to use the pick. Before then, its about adding picks or moving up drafts. But the Canucks will know a lot more about what their currently 22 and under group became (as well as the 2027 and maybe even 2028 draft class), and so they will be in a spot where they can start the pivot.

[UWSaint]

It's also about rebuilding the room that has apparently (allegedly) been fractured for some time.

Gallagher
Oleksiak
Schenn

...all team first guys who keep a room honest.

By reports I've seen while digging into the dude Cotter is that guy as well....a keep them loose dude with a keep the boys honest sense of humour.

Culture change badly needed.

Culture change satisfied in a few weeks.

Box checked.

I think that's right.

I still want to check the box of a forward capable of killing penalties well. Its just too shallow of a group; I think you have to see if Raty can do it, but can you find someone solid to be his pair? And don't underestimate how the forward's ability to play the PK well affects how the D develop their PK skills.

[Picker of Cherries]

AI helped me recall:

“The friction boiled down to a mix of team frustration and a specific sequence of low-effort play:
The Team's Deficit: The Canucks were enduring a miserable, highly tense start to the 2022–23 season under Bruce Boudreau, sitting at a winless 0-4-2 going into that game.

The Shift: Right before the period ended, Miller had a particularly lackluster shift. He appeared sluggish while trying to defend in his own zone, and after finally recovering the puck with less than 10 seconds on the clock, he threw a blind, careless backhand pass that resulted in an immediate turnover to Buffalo.

Schenn—a respected veteran who had won two Stanley Cups with Tampa Bay—had clearly seen enough of the defensive lapses and called out the high-priced star right then and there.

When reporters asked Miller about the altercation after the game, he brushed it off, saying, "No offense, it’s none of your business." However, the moment became a major talking point in Vancouver, highlighting the immense dressing room frustration before the team eventually traded Schenn later that season and replaced Boudreau with Rick Tocchet.”

Too bad they traded the wrong player at that time.
I won’t be a bit surprised if Petey has a much better season with Luke Schenn around.

[Madcombinepilot]

RJ actually thinks he will still be GM in 5 years' time? Man, that's optimism!

no mistakes so far.

[Madcombinepilot]

What I'm most floored about is not only did we somehow score a 1st for him, we got it from a team that could/should be near the bottom of the standings in 4 years time. Nice to fleece someone else for a change.

The hardest part of RJ's job in the next 4 years is to slap Aquaturd's hand away when he inevitably asks to move the pick for more immediate help.

I would move that pick if it moved up into a top-10 pick in an earlier draft.....but that's about it.

I think the nice thing about the pick being in 2030 is that by the time we get to the start of 2030, its best use may or may not be to use the pick. Before then, its about adding picks or moving up drafts. But the Canucks will know a lot more about what their currently 22 and under group became (as well as the 2027 and maybe even 2028 draft class), and so they will be in a spot where they can start the pivot.

Its a protected pick. I could very well be a top 10 pick in 2031.

NO WAY I am moving that pick until 2029 at the earliest. see where they are trending.