Ownership and Management

[Cornuck]

After this long, I'd like to think that we're all here for each other.....

Group therapy for old, cranky bastards.

There's a lot to be said for that!

I know when I first moved south in '97 - I found this board and it kept me connected a little to Vancouver, the team, and the fanbase. Not sure I'd be following as close without this board.

#MiseryLovesCompany

[Carl Yagro]

I'm up for the discount group therapy.

True. Both CCs have been a great outlet for us "fans". Thx Brian for keeping this around for only 18 people

[Cornuck]

True. Both CCs have been a great outlet for us "fans". Thx Brian for keeping this around for only 18 people

Speaking of which - our annual fundraiser should be starting soon!

[Megaterio Llamas]

[Meds]

There it is from Rutherford.

No rebuild could happen while they had Miller and Quinn. They were the engine that drove the Canucks and the difference makers for a winning team.

That quote seems to confirm the suspicion that ownership made them commit to Pettersson.

[Lancer]

The omission of Americans when Rutherford was talking about who likes to play in Vancouver was telling. To be fair, he did mention how much Sherwood loved playing there. Then again, Sherwood's a role player, not a star. A paycheque is a paycheque when you weren't even drafted.

This is a different environment than it was just over a year ago, and I think management has cottoned-on, and is looking for those players who want to play in Vancouver long-term - which apparently means more Western Canadians and Europeans vice folks from other places. Again, to be fair, he said if they had a player who could contribute to the team, it wouldn't matter where they're from. That said, I think Rutherford tacitly acknowledged that folks from some countries generally don't want to play in Vancouver. It would be managerial malpractice to dismiss that factor after what this organization has been through.

Another admission by omission - they couldn't do a rebuild with Miller and Hughes, but Pettersson is a non-factor in that equation. There was no mention of Pettersson's place in the new core; Rutherford emphasized a new core that will grow together; so it seems Pettersson will be the creepy post-grad student hanging out in the undergrad bar that will be the dressing room. I think Rutherford threw in the bit about Pettersson's offence perhaps coming back sometime in the future out of obligation to the fanbase that hasn't given up on the heartless one.

Funny thing about Millard and Shannon talking about how patient ownership and fans will be. As much as fans are all-in on a rebuild, how many are willing to go through seven years of shitty, losing hockey the way they have in San Jose? How long is too long for a rebuild in this market? I don't think anybody knows for sure. Besides, it doesn't matter when ownership is all about playoff revenue.

[Meds]

I'm not reading too much into the "American omission".....it's not a revelation that Yankees prefer to play in the US, particularly star players who may jump at the first chance. Although there are some exceptions (Matthews and Brady Tkachuk).

Miller wanted to be here. You don't sign for ~ a million less than you would command in free agency, in one of the highest taxed regions in the league, if you don't want to be there.

Boeser, Myers, and Garland, are also American.

Well he outright said he didn't fell like he needed to give Pettersson an endorsement as a cornerstone going forward, and he followed that up by saying that he also didn't feel the need to rush out and shop him. Two things were clear to me from that. First, that he currently doesn't see Scooter as a leader that you can build around. The second, is that he also see's a chance for Pettersson to rediscover himself as a player and return to being a productive offensive contributor.....an olive branch to the player (for the umpteenth time). The latter, I think, was also an endorsement designed to take a chunk out of the $11.6M "buyer beware" sign that hangs around his neck. Reading between the lines I think Rutherford takes the first semi-reasonable offer that comes in for Pettersson.

[Megaterio Llamas]

[dbr]

"You have to put a buyout on the table" Craig have you seen what that looks like!? Motherfucker would still be on our cap for $10m in 2031-32 and wouldn't be off entirely until twelve years from now. I'd retain 50% on Pettersson and trade him plus a pick for future considerations before proceeding with a buyout.

Anyway.

Pretty much agree with the rest. Whatever middling pick we get for Myers isn't going to be worth yet another hit to this franchise's reputation, which is already horrendous. We don't just need a front office clear out, we likely need someone competent to look at every single aspect of hockey operations with the mandate to rebuild absolutely anything they deem lacking.

[Lancer]

Button does bring up a salient point WRT management, players and the Myers situation. Players both in Vancouver and outside may be looking at the state of the organization and not want to play there regardless where they're from. I don't think Vancouver suffers from the harsh geographical realities as Edmonton or Winnipeg but it is in Canada vice a sunny tax-shelter of a spot, and players see Quit jump ship and would have second thoughts regardless. When it comes to situations like Myers, I agree that management is making their lives harder by treating Myers this way. Who would want to play for them?

Despite their failures to-date, I wasn't of a mind to argue that management needs removed but I think the organization needs to clean house to remove the foul odor that has taken residence the past number of years. I look at the organization, and the only ray of hope I see as a fan is a lottery pick. That's it. That's not enough.

I still have the fantasy of somebody hanging Frankie by his ankles from one of his high-rises Suge Knight-style to get him to sign over the team to someone else.

[Tciso]

As much as fans are all-in on a rebuild, how many are willing to go through seven years of shitty, losing hockey the way they have in San Jose? How long is too long for a rebuild in this market? I don't think anybody knows for sure.

Hey, we have survived the first 55 years of this shitty rebuild. What's another 7 if they do it right?

[Lancer]

We don't just need a front office clear out, we likely need someone competent to look at every single aspect of hockey operations with the mandate to rebuild absolutely anything they deem lacking.

Things like a practice facility, for example...

[Topper]

A couple of old beat up toothless, scab covered crack whores six feet from the curb flogging their junk.

When do the Angels send in a Pinkton?

[dbr]

We don't just need a front office clear out, we likely need someone competent to look at every single aspect of hockey operations with the mandate to rebuild absolutely anything they deem lacking.

Things like a practice facility, for example...

That shit costs money, but so does a few years of losing while we wait out the vets and develop the kids. I have every faith that ownership has zero interest in either expense.

[Madcombinepilot]

Our owner is rapidly crawling up the "MCP's most hated Hockey Person' list










































...But its still Messier.