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theman wrote: Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:10 am
Chef Boi RD wrote: Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:06 am I saw this tweet on Twitter and I can’t think of a better description in describing the uselessness of this organization, welcome to the horror of our situation:

“The rebuilding Pittsburgh Penguins have 8 more points than the ‘staying competitive’ Vancouver Canucks, and the Penguins have played 2 fewer games.”

Stay competitive, Pony Boy
But, but, they have Silovs in net…
Which begs the question, and please forgive me if I have my intel wrong here, why not save the money they spent on Lankinen and take a “super daring” chance on Silovs like the high flying rebuilding Penguins did and run with him (Silovs), and instead trade Lankinen, in which I’m sure would’ve received us more than the 4th round pick we got boot fucked for in the end for Silovs? Is that sort of thinking just way too daring for this “stay competitive” organization?

Part 2 of this question incoming, which will be around the topic - “why did we flip the NYR pick again to the rebuilding Penguins being that our defence is absolute shite…still?”

One would get the sense that the Pittsburgh Penguins really like making deals with with former alumni Allvin and Rutherford
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In fairness, there are a lot of clubs that people would have locked into a playoff spot in the offseason that are still on the outside looking in - Toronto, Edmonton, Winnipeg, and even Florida. There's still not a lot of separation between the playoff teams and the also-rans, but all to say there are a lot of clubs who are 'staying competitive' who will miss the playoffs in all likelihood. There may be some surprising teams who throw in the towel and try to maximize their off-year in the hopes of rebounding - this seems to be a weird year in terms of who's up and who's down. That is, unless we truly seeing a changing of the guard out West with Chicago, San Jose and Anaheim.

Unless they trade someone other than their expiring UFAs, draft picks and B-grade prospects are all that's out there in return. Nothing "competitive" about that, but maybe it's just what ownership wants to hear.

I'm not totally in on a fire-sale/strip-it-to-the-studs these days because the more vets you ship out, the longer the rebuild. Even in a rebuild there is value to known quantities, and none of the picks or prospects gained in such a fire-sale are ever guaranteed to pan out.

This could be a most interesting TDD if the current standings roughly play out the same way. A lot of managers and owners are going to be wondering just where their teams are. Depending on who's offered, maybe management can score a player who can be useful down the road even in a rebuild.
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Lancer wrote: Thu Dec 04, 2025 9:09 am In fairness, there are a lot of clubs that people would have locked into a playoff spot in the offseason that are still on the outside looking in - Toronto, Edmonton, Winnipeg, and even Florida. There's still not a lot of separation between the playoff teams and the also-rans, but all to say there are a lot of clubs who are 'staying competitive' who will miss the playoffs in all likelihood. There may be some surprising teams who throw in the towel and try to maximize their off-year in the hopes of rebounding - this seems to be a weird year in terms of who's up and who's down. That is, unless we truly seeing a changing of the guard out West with Chicago, San Jose and Anaheim.

Unless they trade someone other than their expiring UFAs, draft picks and B-grade prospects are all that's out there in return. Nothing "competitive" about that, but maybe it's just what ownership wants to hear.

I'm not totally in on a fire-sale/strip-it-to-the-studs these days because the more vets you ship out, the longer the rebuild. Even in a rebuild there is value to known quantities, and none of the picks or prospects gained in such a fire-sale are ever guaranteed to pan out.

This could be a most interesting TDD if the current standings roughly play out the same way. A lot of managers and owners are going to be wondering just where their teams are. Depending on who's offered, maybe management can score a player who can be useful down the road even in a rebuild.
This is the thing. With so many teams suffering so many injuries, there are a lot of questions about a lot of teams true levels. This will make GM’s hesitant to make moves for fear of making a mistake.
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Madcombinepilot wrote: Fri Dec 05, 2025 5:53 am This is the thing. With so many teams suffering so many injuries, there are a lot of questions about a lot of teams true levels. This will make GM’s hesitant to make moves for fear of making a mistake.
We may also see a TDD with little movement because of that factor. For as many GMs see their team and see a need for change, there will likely be as many who see the season as a one-off and keep their powder dry.

This is where we're likely to hear things like "The market just wasn't there", or "We need some culture-carriers" or "We just ran out of time" from Baldy and Old-Fart. Thing is, this time it might not be too much BS with those claims.

This year could be quite dynamic in terms of player movement, or it could be relatively flat more likely.
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Agreed with the assessment of TDD..

The only mistakes that will happen are kneejerk reactions to media, and people not calling out the media for fear mongering again. Vancouver media never met a bad headline they didnt like.
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A chart showing Rutherford’s movement of picks

What’s alarming is the amount of high picks he’s traded or moved in/out vs keeping. Says a lot. Seems obsessed with useless 4th rd picks.

Traded out
3- 1st rd picks
3 - 2nd rd picks
3 - 3rd rd picks

The highest picks he’s kept is two - 3rd rd picks. This doesn’t seem to be good sound management



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Your analysis is miscast without demonstrating ROE as a comparable Dude.
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donlever wrote: Sat Dec 06, 2025 7:55 am Your analysis is miscast without demonstrating ROE as a comparable Dude.
I neither have the time nor desire. I’m just amazed by how with all this movement the good it’s done.
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You have lots of time to post whatever you choose from what I can see.

You just don't want to hamper your narrative.

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I’ll have the full report on your desk by noon, boss. With graphs and tables, and in colour.
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Per?

You also have time to be smarmy I see....

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donlever wrote: Sat Dec 06, 2025 9:25 am

You also have time to be smarmy I see....

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Chef Boi RD wrote: Sat Dec 06, 2025 9:29 am You’re breathing down my neck, man. I’m walking here! I’m walking here!
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Chef Boi RD wrote: Sat Dec 06, 2025 8:03 am
donlever wrote: Sat Dec 06, 2025 7:55 am Your analysis is miscast without demonstrating ROE as a comparable Dude.
I neither have the time nor desire. I’m just amazed by how with all this movement the good it’s done.
But your mouth was too full to complain about the blunder train from 2014-2021.

I don't love the job these guys are doing. In fact I dislike a lot of their moves but they are light years ahead of the previous crew.
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