Is Mark Carney sliding towards Fascism?

[BCExpat]

Alberta can bounce. Take Quebec with them. Don't let the door hit yourself on the ass on the way out.

Can the rest of the country decide and sign a petition if we want these provinces? That's the real question. Beat it.

Alberta isn't leaving. And although the rest of Canada hates Alberta, they love the money they receive from Alberta in the form of equalization payments and tax revenues. Careful what you wish for.

[Ronning's Ghost]

I have a Grizzly Arms 570 knockoff as mine. #6, 00 and slug loaded in that order.

I know just enough about firearms and Canadian firearms laws to understand why a shotgun would be your preferred home defense weapon, and why you would want different loads, but not enough to understand why you would want those loads, in that order. Could I persuade you to explain your reasoning, there? (Beyond the part about over-penetration not harming other targets around your home.)

Sorry, getting way off topic, but I get the impression that the Bar & Grill is more free-ranging.

[JelloPuddingPop]

I have a Grizzly Arms 870 knockoff as mine. #6, 00 and slug loaded in that order.

I know just enough about firearms and Canadian firearms laws to understand why a shotgun would be your preferred home defense weapon, and why you would want different loads, but not enough to understand why you would want those loads, in that order. Could I persuade you to explain your reasoning, there? (Beyond the part about over-penetration not harming other targets around your home.)

Sorry, getting way off topic, but I get the impression that the Bar & Grill is more free-ranging.

For sure - I think that in most circumstances, the sound of racking of a shotgun would be enough to deter the timid thief etc. Which in my view, is the main reason to go with this as a home defense weapon. I chose the Grizzly, instead of say my Benelli Montefeltro, as Grizzly is a Chinese made knockoff, it's slide is a little janky, which causes a rather loud - almost movie-like sound when racking. Whereas a Benelli, Winchester or even Mossberg when well taken care of, are quite quiet, surprisingly to most.

If the intruder were to persist beyond that sound, depending on the situation - firing a light load shell of #6 - which is known as birdshot, won't penetrate my house's walls, just do a bit damage to the drywall. Nor, at a distance, would it seriously injure a person. This gives me the option to either shoot into a wall, if I don't know where the intruder is, to use the sound of discharging firearm to convince them to leave - or put a bunch of bird shot into their leg - which will again, will still allow them to flee, with a bad limp.

The recoil on firing a shell of #6 is very minimal, ensuring I can keep the weapon trained on the target without any issue. Even with sleepy brain, and hearing a firearm discharge in an enclosed environment without hearing protection, I hopefully would still have another shot-chance if necessary.

If its a meth-head, or someone really intent on causing me or mine harm - the 2nd round of buckshot (00) carries a lot more stopping power, needing a bit more accuracy, but still not a ton, and can be applied liberally, or directly - again depending on the situation. This can either put someone down, hopefully non-lethally if you aim low or off center (and from a distance), or even get through a nearby closed door etc., while still dealing damage to the target on the other side. Lots of options here.

Finally - if two discharges of a loud firearm aren't enough to convince someone that they have made a mistake, and its time to cut loses and run - and lethal action needs to be taken. The slug will do that. Or if there are multiple intruders, and after watching their friend get a load of #6 and/or buck in their shin, they still decide me or mine are worthy targets, lethal action is usually the only deterrent.

If the intruders are armed as well - with a pistol or similar, well, a coin flip I suppose. Though a weighted one, as their shot demands accuracy and mine does not. But still. I'm no combat veteran, and if someone breaks into my home armed... not sure anyone is coming out of that one in a good way.

As an aside. That loadout works well for bear defense as well. One shot in the air (#6), to hopefully scare them away - if they charge, a load of buck (00) isn't going to seriously injure or kill it. If that sting doesn't succeed, a slug to the chest from close range will usually end it.

[5thhorseman]

This is interesting. Thanks JPP.

[Cornuck]

This is interesting. Thanks JPP.

CanucksCorner.com - come for the hockey talk, stay for the tactical self-defense tips!

Still the best corner of the web.

[donlever]

A shotgun eh?

Lunch time conversation for the future JPP??!!

[JelloPuddingPop]

Always happy to talk guns, one of the few things I know a bit about. I've been hunting, building and servicing firearms my whole life - and am surrounded by people from all walks who also share this interest. No echo chamber here!

[BCExpat]

I have a Grizzly Arms 870 knockoff as mine. #6, 00 and slug loaded in that order.

I know just enough about firearms and Canadian firearms laws to understand why a shotgun would be your preferred home defense weapon, and why you would want different loads, but not enough to understand why you would want those loads, in that order. Could I persuade you to explain your reasoning, there? (Beyond the part about over-penetration not harming other targets around your home.)

Sorry, getting way off topic, but I get the impression that the Bar & Grill is more free-ranging.

For sure - I think that in most circumstances, the sound of racking of a shotgun would be enough to deter the timid thief etc. Which in my view, is the main reason to go with this as a home defense weapon. I chose the Grizzly, instead of say my Benelli Montefeltro, as Grizzly is a Chinese made knockoff, it's slide is a little janky, which causes a rather loud - almost movie-like sound when racking. Whereas a Benelli, Winchester or even Mossberg when well taken care of, are quite quiet, surprisingly to most.

If the intruder were to persist beyond that sound, depending on the situation - firing a light load shell of #6 - which is known as birdshot, won't penetrate my house's walls, just do a bit damage to the drywall. Nor, at a distance, would it seriously injure a person. This gives me the option to either shoot into a wall, if I don't know where the intruder is, to use the sound of discharging firearm to convince them to leave - or put a bunch of bird shot into their leg - which will again, will still allow them to flee, with a bad limp.

The recoil on firing a shell of #6 is very minimal, ensuring I can keep the weapon trained on the target without any issue. Even with sleepy brain, and hearing a firearm discharge in an enclosed environment without hearing protection, I hopefully would still have another shot-chance if necessary.

If its a meth-head, or someone really intent on causing me or mine harm - the 2nd round of buckshot (00) carries a lot more stopping power, needing a bit more accuracy, but still not a ton, and can be applied liberally, or directly - again depending on the situation. This can either put someone down, hopefully non-lethally if you aim low or off center (and from a distance), or even get through a nearby closed door etc., while still dealing damage to the target on the other side. Lots of options here.

Finally - if two discharges of a loud firearm aren't enough to convince someone that they have made a mistake, and its time to cut loses and run - and lethal action needs to be taken. The slug will do that. Or if there are multiple intruders, and after watching their friend get a load of #6 and/or buck in their shin, they still decide me or mine are worthy targets, lethal action is usually the only deterrent.

If the intruders are armed as well - with a pistol or similar, well, a coin flip I suppose. Though a weighted one, as their shot demands accuracy and mine does not. But still. I'm no combat veteran, and if someone breaks into my home armed... not sure anyone is coming out of that one in a good way.

As an aside. That loadout works well for bear defense as well. One shot in the air (#6), to hopefully scare them away - if they charge, a load of buck (00) isn't going to seriously injure or kill it. If that sting doesn't succeed, a slug to the chest from close range will usually end it.

Screw that - I've got mine loaded with slugs. Someone breaks into my house, they are dead. As I said before, at my age, life in prison isn't much of a deterrent. It would be worth it to take some scum bag meth head out permanently.

We need green text for impertinent comments like my reply

[Cousin Strawberry]

I prefer a 9mm carbine for my go-to self defense rifle. Non restricted, short barrel like a shotty but semi auto and you can roll with a 10 round mag. More holes in dooshbags per second!

No kick either

[Cousin Strawberry]

JPP has the correct order for how to set up your shotgun load. Squawk shot to start covers the entire hallway, 00 SSG for round 2 puts 5 angry holes and the rifle slug last removes either the head or turns a torso into a canoe

[JelloPuddingPop]

I prefer a 9mm carbine for my go-to self defense rifle. Non restricted, short barrel like a shotty but semi auto and you can roll with a 10 round mag. More holes in dooshbags per second!

No kick either

Sterling M9 or Henry Homesteader?

[Cousin Strawberry]

I prefer a 9mm carbine for my go-to self defense rifle. Non restricted, short barrel like a shotty but semi auto and you can roll with a 10 round mag. More holes in dooshbags per second!

No kick either

Sterling M9 or Henry Homesteader?

The Henry all day now that my Beretta cx4 storm is banned

Fucking turdo!

[JelloPuddingPop]

Screw that - I've got mine loaded with slugs. Someone breaks into my house, they are dead. As I said before, at my age, life in prison isn't much of a deterrent. It would be worth it to take some scum bag meth head out permanently.

We need green text for impertinent comments like my reply

LOL, that's certainly another way of looking at it. Quick and dirty, shoot first, ask questions later type stuff. Lots of people subscribe to that theory of home defense as well, likely a better overall solution for survival I'd agree...

That being said, someone who worked in a prison once told me "Old ass isn't exempt, and is sometime preferred by a certain type of inmate."

Enough to keep me out of prison for sure.

[JelloPuddingPop]

I prefer a 9mm carbine for my go-to self defense rifle. Non restricted, short barrel like a shotty but semi auto and you can roll with a 10 round mag. More holes in dooshbags per second!

No kick either

Sterling M9 or Henry Homesteader?

The Henry all day now that my Beretta cx4 storm is banned

Fucking turdo!

Gotcha, though - just as a heads up, centrefire rifles have a 5 rd mag max in Canada. Don't want you to get in trouble with that 10.

[Ronning's Ghost]

For sure...
That loadout works well for bear defense as well...

Thank you for a thoughtful reply.

I infer that the rest of the load is slugs as well, then ?

Or do you cycle back to 00 at some point ?