Re-booted SKYO approved pipe dreams and trade ideas

[donlever]

Agree or disagree it's a good post Mëds.

Thanks Donny.

Although it’s probably a tad heavy on the loathing for 5th and Jello…..

Those GD undertones man....

[JelloPuddingPop]

Agree or disagree it's a good post Mëds.

Thanks Donny.

Although it’s probably a tad heavy on the loathing for 5th and Jello…..

Not at all, I thought it was a good post too, for the current rendition of the team and Petey.

Though looking through the lens of time is important. I think looking back - there were times that Petey carried the team or was at least their best player.

Your post (and loathing) is focused on a very small portion a players career and leaves the majority of it out. Kind of like comparing a 10 game bad run of special teams - and saying a team can never turn it around.

[donlever]

Hmmm....unfortunately the period of time in question is when 11.6 per came to the fore which exacerbates concerns.

Unless you're you.

[JelloPuddingPop]

Hmmm....unfortunately the period of time in question is when 11.6 per came to the fore which exacerbates concerns.

Unless you're you.

Sorry Donny, remind me again how many games you've seen since Petey signed his 11.6?

[donlever]

That doesn't speak to the point I dont think, more of an undeserved personal shot really.....

...but....

.....I'm missing out on his elite level, stellar play due to not watching am I JPP?

On record at this here site as not being an EP fan long before the contract was signed if that makes a difference to you.

[JelloPuddingPop]

That doesn't speak to the point I dont think, more of an undeserved personal shot really.....

...but....

.....I'm missing out on his elite level, stellar play due to not watching am I JPP?

On record at this here site as not being an EP fan long before the contract was signed if that makes a difference to you.

Not my point at all; and hence the apology to start.

When I respond to Mëds, Tops, Doc et al - I know I'm getting their opinion.

Just want to know who's opinion I'm getting when answering your posts is all.

Chicklets maybe?

[donlever]

Lol....gfy.



Mine.

Edit...I'm honestly actually a bit offended you think (or would even suggest) otherwise.

[Meds]

Hmmm....unfortunately the period of time in question is when 11.6 per came to the fore which exacerbates concerns.

Unless you're you.

Sorry Donny, remind me again how many games you've seen since Petey signed his 11.6?

All banter aside, his referencing of $11.6M is apt.

If I look at the entirety of his career, as you suggested, he has been the Canucks' best forward (statistically) in 2 of his 6 seasons.....2 of 7 if you count this year. Those two times were his rookie season and the 2022-23 campaign.

Another stat from his entire career is that in only a pair of seasons, 2022-23 and 2023-24, has he scored at 1.0 PPG or better.

The inconsistency is the one true consistency for Pettersson.

Outside of 2022-23, Pettersson has never been a player that commands the salary he was given. My overall loathing, as you like to call it, is not directed towards the player himself, it is directed towards the assessment that rose goggled fanboys and local media swooner's have of the player in question.

My unbiased take on Pettersson is that he does indeed possess the chops to be a top-line centerman, although an inconsistent one. You will have flashes of top-5 in the league scoring and then periods of time where he is completely invisible. When you average it out you have a guy who you can count on to produce at a career pace of roughly 1.0 PPG, but you will never know which player is showing up on any given night, and you need to be ready to win with negligible production from him for stretches of 4 or more games at a time multiple times during a season, and possibly (50% of the time so far) in the playoffs as well.

He doesn't have the physical speed to create his own space with the puck for chances or to draw defenders to himself and then hit an open linemate, and he doesn't have the size/strength to accomplish the same thing by protecting the puck from a defender and make a play.

His hockey IQ is very high, even his defensive awareness would probably have him in the Selke conversation on a regular basis if he was able to add some physicality and win faceoffs. But the inconsistency is the problem.

I would happily have Petterson for $8.5M per year. It would mean that instead of a linemate like Jake DeBrusk for $5.5M, you have Petey playing with Sam Reinhart, Miika Zibanejad, or Filip Forsberg, for $8.5M. Now teams can't cheat to one guy the same way and perhaps you see consistency creep into Petterson's game and the team has a player on a bargain contract.....which almost every team that has won the Cup has been able to boast of having.

Teams can win with a superstar carrying them, yes. But they are few and far between, and they can do that because those elite, franchise-type, players always produce regardless of their linemates. Even in his 102 point breakout season there was never a moment where Pettersson looked like he was in that category of McDavid, Crosby, MacKinnon.

The problem with Pettersson is indeed the $11.6M......because he held out for it, and because management gave it to him.

[Meds]

Lol....gfy.



Mine.

Edit...I'm honestly actually a bit offended you think (or would even suggest) otherwise.

I don't think he meant it quite that way Donny.

I think he wants to know how your are forming your opinion based upon your own statement that you aren't really watching the games.

He worded it like an asshat though.

[donlever]

There are a multitude of ways to form calcuable hockey opinions in 2025 without watching a TV screen or sitting in a rink.

The Chiclets comment was a pure shot.

Jello is old school Central though.

No hate here....

[JelloPuddingPop]

Lol....gfy.



Mine.

Edit...I'm honestly actually a bit offended you think (or would even suggest) otherwise.

Offended? On a GDHTMB? LOL.

Sorry Pal, I'll keep it down...

[donlever]

Lol...well...not that offended....

[JelloPuddingPop]

Hmmm....unfortunately the period of time in question is when 11.6 per came to the fore which exacerbates concerns.

Unless you're you.

Sorry Donny, remind me again how many games you've seen since Petey signed his 11.6?

All banter aside, his referencing of $11.6M is apt.

If I look at the entirety of his career, as you suggested, he has been the Canucks' best forward (statistically) in 2 of his 6 seasons.....2 of 7 if you count this year. Those two times were his rookie season and the 2022-23 campaign.

Another stat from his entire career is that in only a pair of seasons, 2022-23 and 2023-24, has he scored at 1.0 PPG or better.

The inconsistency is the one true consistency for Pettersson.

Outside of 2022-23, Pettersson has never been a player that commands the salary he was given. My overall loathing, as you like to call it, is not directed towards the player himself, it is directed towards the assessment that rose goggled fanboys and local media swooner's have of the player in question.

My unbiased take on Pettersson is that he does indeed possess the chops to be a top-line centerman, although an inconsistent one. You will have flashes of top-5 in the league scoring and then periods of time where he is completely invisible. When you average it out you have a guy who you can count on to produce at a career pace of roughly 1.0 PPG, but you will never know which player is showing up on any given night, and you need to be ready to win with negligible production from him for stretches of 4 or more games at a time multiple times during a season, and possibly (50% of the time so far) in the playoffs as well.

He doesn't have the physical speed to create his own space with the puck for chances or to draw defenders to himself and then hit an open linemate, and he doesn't have the size/strength to accomplish the same thing by protecting the puck from a defender and make a play.

His hockey IQ is very high, even his defensive awareness would probably have him in the Selke conversation on a regular basis if he was able to add some physicality and win faceoffs. But the inconsistency is the problem.

I would happily have Petterson for $8.5M per year. It would mean that instead of a linemate like Jake DeBrusk for $5.5M, you have Petey playing with Sam Reinhart, Miika Zibanejad, or Filip Forsberg, for $8.5M. Now teams can't cheat to one guy the same way and perhaps you see consistency creep into Petterson's game and the team has a player on a bargain contract.....which almost every team that has won the Cup has been able to boast of having.

Teams can win with a superstar carrying them, yes. But they are few and far between, and they can do that because those elite, franchise-type, players always produce regardless of their linemates. Even in his 102 point breakout season there was never a moment where Pettersson looked like he was in that category of McDavid, Crosby, MacKinnon.

The problem with Pettersson is indeed the $11.6M......because he held out for it, and because management gave it to him.

Again, good post Mëds. And yes, I agree with most of what you say. It's concerning for sure - but there isn't much we as fans can do - other than hope we see 2 of 7 Petey going forward. But he is still contributing, defensively, getting the puck up ice etc.

He has never been in the company you mentioned. But he doesn't have to be. He can be a Malkin, Rantonen, or German. That's OK too.

Thanks for taking the time and thoughts here - I appreciate it. And I'm not a Petey Fanboy for the record. I'm a Canucks fan. Have been for decades, win or lose. Optimism is a part of my life. And I believe. Why watch if you don't?

[JelloPuddingPop]

My unbiased take on Pettersson

Can we take a CC Poll on this?

[donlever]

My unbiased take on Pettersson

Can we take a CC Poll on this?

Ha...I almost pulled that one out myself to comment.