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Per wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:39 am
In 2017, when TIME included Soleimani on its list of the 100 most influential people, former CIA analyst Kenneth M. Pollack wrote that “To Middle Eastern Shi’ites, he is James Bond, Erwin Rommel and Lady Gaga rolled into one.” Inside Iran, his successes abroad evoke the past glories of the Persian empire that, in its early years, the Islamic Republic worked to downplay, because they predated Islam. But the ayatollahs have lately found an asset in nationalism; another poster memorializing Soleimani labels him “PERSIAN GENERAL.”

So popular was he with the Iranian public that Soleimani was envisioned—at least by some in Tehran—as a figure who might provide much-needed public faith in the regime after the eventual passing of the Supreme Leader, now 80—perhaps by becoming the public face of the Islamic Republic while a new top cleric found his feet. That notion, however real or plausible, was also destroyed on the Baghdad pavement.
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“Soleimani was different things to different people,” said Abbas Milani, adjunct professor in the Center on Democracy, Development and Rule of Law at Stanford University. “To regime zealots, he embodied dogmatic dedication to Shiism and to fighting the U.S. and Israel. To regime critics, he was a pillar of oppression at home and threats and attacks on dissidents abroad.”

“To many who lost loved ones in peaceful demonstrations two months, two years and 10 years ago he was a blunt instrument of oppression,” he said. “To a final group he was that rare IRGC commander not tainted with financial corruption. His official title was a commander of the Qods Brigade, a branch of the IRGC. In reality, he was in charge of regime’s policies in the Middle East.”
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The Iraqi parliament passed a resolution today that all American troops must leave the country immediately.

Most Iraqis are shiite, and they have seen Soleimani as a defender against ISIS, al Qaeda, al Nusra and other sunni groups hellbent on killing shiites in the chaos that has ensued after the American invasion.

Likewise the Iraqi foreign department has written a letter to the UN security council, asking them to condemn the murder of Soleimani on Iraqi soil. Yeah. Good luck. The USA has a veto on that council... :|
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Yeah, he flew into Iraq from Syria.
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Per wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:31 am Likewise the Iraqi foreign department has written a letter to the UN security council, asking them to condemn the murder of Soleimani on Iraqi soil. Yeah. Good luck. The USA has a veto on that council... :|
The UN Security Council did sanction Soleimani seven with veto available.
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Per wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:31 am
Most Iraqis are shiite, and they have seen Soleimani as a defender against ISIS, al Qaeda, al Nusra and other sunni groups hellbent on killing shiites in the chaos that has ensued after the American invasion.
Is this not the reason why Obama and Dubbya chose not take Soleimani out earlier.

The US and Iran has common purpose in fighting ISIS and the Islamic state ?
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Non binding symbolic vote that was boycotted by the Kurd and Sunni members of Parliament.

Per is now anti Kurd.
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Topper wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:46 pm Per is now anti Kurd.
Nope. And Soleimani helped equip the Kurdish militia fighting ISIS before the US and other western countries stepped in and did the same.

I mean, his main ally in Syria was of course the Assad regime, and he probably opposed Kurdish nationhood, but ISIS was the main enemy, and so in the fight against them he actually worked with the Kurds.

And btw, I never said I approve of the vote. I don’t. I think it helps to further destabilize the region, but it is a logical consequence of the assassination. If you swing a stick at a hornets’ nest there are consequences.
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On the news tonight I saw a Hizbollah leader talking about the need for swift retaliation. He told his followers to not take out their anger on American civilians. ”The proper response is to retaliate against someone in a similar position, like the American commander in chief or defence secretary.” :o
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Per wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:44 pm On the news tonight I saw a Hizbollah leader talking about the need for swift retaliation. He told his followers to not take out their anger on American civilians. ”The proper response is to retaliate against someone in a similar position, like the American commander in chief or defence secretary.” :o
Actually sounds like Israel may be their target...
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Another negative development due to the assassination of Soleimani is that Iran now effectively has left the "Iran Nuclear Deal".

Now, in American media it often sounds like that was a deal between the Obama administration and Iran. That is wrong.

It was a deal between Iran, the five permanent members of the UN Security Council (ie China, Russia, France, Great Britain and the USA) plus Germany and the European Union. Eight signatories. It was also supported by the entire UN Security Council.

The general idea of the treaty was that Iran would abandon its plans of acquiring nuclear weapons in exchange for the lifting of economic sanctions imposed against them.
Among the concessiond from Iran was a reduction of its stockpile of low-enriched uranium by 97 percent, from 10,000 kg to 300 kg. This reduction should be maintained for fifteen years. For the same fifteen-year period, Iran agreed to be limited to enriching uranium to 3.67%, a percentage sufficient for civilian nuclear power and research, but not for building a nuclear weapon. Prior to the deal Iran had enriched uranium to near 20%.
Iran also agreed to place over two-thirds of its centrifuges in storage, from a stockpile of 19,000 centrifuges (of which 10,000 were operational) to no more than 6,104 operational centrifuges.
They also agreed to grant the IAEA full access to all their facilities, so that they could monitor compliance to the agreement.

Details can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Com ... _of_Action

All in all this was considered a huge success that truly deescalated tensions in the region, and there was hope to gradually bring Iran into the mainstream of nations. Before the deal, Iran was in a situation where they would be able to get nuclear arms capabilities within a few months. After the deal, they retreated to a position where it will take them more than a year to be able to have nuclear arms.

Then in 2018, the USA unilaterally revoked the agreement. All other signatories pledged to stick with the agreement, and the IAEA confirmed that Iran was fullfilling its part.

Pacta sunt servanda. Not that Trump would seem to be familiar with that concept.
It's probably Greek to him (pun intended).

The USA then threatened to impose sanctions on any foreign company that traded with Iran.

China and Russia can basically ignore this. China can easily create separate shell companies for trading with Iran and the US and can thus render the sanctions toothless. Russia already have heavy sanctions against them for their agression vs Ukraine. But for European companies this posed a real threat. The EU protested loudly and vehemently - the US can impose sanctions against other countries if it wants to, but has no right to dictate that its allies must impose similar sanctions - and quickly adopted blocking legislation that should protect their companies from American hostilities, but this has proven to be largely inefficient. To most European companies the US market is too important to be put at risk, and very few companies have been willing to deal with Iran. This is unfortunate, because if the other signatories can not or will not hold up its part of the deal, why should Iran?
And all signatories, except the USA under Trump, considered the agreement vital to creating lasting peace in the region.

Anyway, after the US walked away from the deal, Iran has increased hostilities toward the US to try to get them back to the negotiation table, but this has not worked. Instead there has been an escalation on both sides. And now, after the assassination of Soleimani, Iran says they no longer intend to follow the restrictions on enriching uranium, which basically means the deal is now dead. They will still allow the IAEA access to their facilities though, to facilitate the possibility of a future return to the deal, should the circumstances change.

So, to sum it up; thanks to Trump being obsessed with reversing everything Obama did, Iran may now pursue nuclear capability again. :evil:
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From British media:
While most Americans can’t find Iran on a map, they’ve been sold the most simplified storyline of all times: that the US is the benevolent promoter of democracy worldwide, while Iran is a belligerent nation filled with religious extremists. In fact, the US has been meddling non-benevolently with Iranian lives since 1953, when it helped to remove that country’s democratically elected prime minister, Mohammad Mossadegh, replacing him with the brutal Shah of Iran who was eventually overthrown. In the 1980s, the US government provided then-ally Saddam Hussein with weapons to use against Iran, including chemical weapons, resulting in the deaths of over a million Iranian citizens in the Iraq-Iran war. Sanctions were instituted during the Bush and Clinton presidencies until, after 20 months of negotiations, President Obama was able to walk them back with a historic nuclear deal that gave the Iranian economy room to grow legitimately. In 2018, Trump reinstituted significantly harsher sanctions in what was really an act of economic violence. That decision affected government and everyday civilians equally.

What choice do we give Iran when we overthrow their democratically elected officials, arm their enemies, destroy their economy, starve their people, and threaten their cultural sites? I am in no way justifying the civilian deaths or human rights abuses perpetrated by Iran’s government. What I am saying, however, is that the story of Iran’s belligerence has an important backdrop of violence perpetrated against it from the US.

As Trump tries to navigate the latest crisis he created with fewer allies and less experienced advisers than previous administrations, it will be Iranian civilians and American troops that will suffer the consequences. Are we, as everyday Americans, happy with that?
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/ir ... 72656.html

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Meanwhile in Russia
Russia’s Foreign Ministry has condemned the killing and said it will increase tensions throughout the Middle East.

An unnamed diplomat in the ministry told Russia’s state-run news agency TASS they consider the killing of Gen. Qassem Soleimani “an adventurist step."

The head of the foreign affairs committee in Russia's upper parliament house called the U.S. airstrike “a mistake” that could “boomerang on its organisers.” Konstantin Kosachev in a Facebook post on Friday said the move destroyed the last hope to resolve the issues around the Iran nuclear deal.

And “Iran may accelerate making a nuclear weapon now, even if it didn’t plan on doing it before,” Kosachev said.

Vladimir Sotnikov, Director of the Russia-East-West Centre for Strategic Studies and Analysis, says the killing was a mistake,

"Maybe President Trump was not fully informed by his foreign policy advisers. In any case, he made a purely impulsive decision if it was him who made it.

The Americans made not a strategic, but a tactical mistake here. This murder sparked a new wave of fierce anti-Americanism in Iran and Trump, in his election campaign, promised to negotiate with Iran.

Here, in fact, his mistake was that the moment was chosen extremely badly, in terms of both Iran's nuclear programme and US relations with their Middle Eastern partners. The consequences of this incident are yet to follow."
China says it's 'highly concerned'
China is a close Iranian ally and a staunch opponent of the U.S. presence in Iraq. The country's Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said on January 3 that his country is “highly concerned” and calls for all sides, especially the United States, to exercise “calm and restraint."

The spokesman added that “China has always opposed the use of force in international relations" ( Image ) and warned against the further escalation of tensions.

China has been among the most active countries in defying U.S. attempts to isolate Iran and cripple its economy. Last month, its navy joined with those of Iran and Russia in first-ever joint drills in the Indian Ocean. ( :o )
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30 dead and still counting at the funeral.

I thought this shit only happened at Who concerts.
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U.S. policy in the region seems to be going in the opposite direction of what Trump has long promised -- with more U.S. troops going in, not fewer; an Iran defiant, not cowed and broken by sanctions; and regional allies giving only lukewarm support to Trump’s airstrike instead of rallying around it.

Economic costs of the strike are also mounting: oil surged above $70 a barrel on Monday and equities around the world extended losses. Havens climbed, with gold rising to the highest in more than six years.

The political backlash came quickly, as the U.S.-led coalition against Islamic State was forced to suspend operations and Iraq’s parliament on Sunday called for U.S. troops to withdraw. Trump responded by saying Iraq could face sanctions and would have to “reimburse” America. Iran said it would abandon limits on uranium enrichment put in place as part of a 2015 nuclear agreement that Trump abandoned in 2018.

U.S actions have “made an already volatile situation much more dangerous,” said retired Army Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis, a senior fellow at Defense Priorities who favors a U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq. “If you paid any attention to Iran in the last 40 years you know they will never buckle to that kind of pressure. It’s just the opposite.

The strike on Soleimani appeared to unite Iranians after months of protests against their own government, with hundreds of thousands turning out to mourn a military chief who had made their nation -- battered by U.S. economic sanctions -- appear strong by giving Tehran leverage in conflicts from Syria to Yemen. Iran has vowed revenge, and allies including Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah warned that they’d now seek to drive out the more than 50,000 U.S. troops from the region.

“It united most political forces in Iraq against the U.S.,” said Fawaz Gerges, a professor of international relations at the London School of Economics. “The Trump administration monstrously miscalculated by playing into Iran’s hands.”

The fight against Islamic State was immediately hampered, with the U.S.-led coalition saying it would suspend operations in Iraq to focus on protecting bases that have come under attack. Threats from Iran-backed militias have previously forced staff drawdowns in U.S. diplomatic missions across the country.
With his latest deployment of about 3,500 troops to Kuwait, Trump has bolstered American forces by about 17,000 personnel since May, undermining his vow to get the country out of “endless wars.”

Rarely has any single tactical move, untethered from any long-range thinking, produced so many potential strategically negative consequences for the U.S.,” said Aaron David Miller, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. “In one single decision you’ve undermined 17 years of a U.S. mission, fraught though it may be.
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