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Doyle Hargraves wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:35 am He has 110 goals in three seasons. A few klowns on this board have called him better than Matthews multiple times.
He has an exceptional shot and not much else. Hes also enjoyed the benefits of playing on a powerhouse full of excellent forechecking forewards.

Hes nowhere near Matthews whatsoever
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And Mathews is over rated. Still needs to add toughness and a better two-way game. Scores goals in spurts as well.
If the leafers are "lucky enough" to get to the show, guess they better hope he's in a spurting stage.





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Per wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:38 am
SKYO wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:37 pm
1996 - Winnipeg would send Selanne, Marc Chouinard and a fourth-round pick to Anaheim in exchange for Tverdovsky, Kilger and a third-round pick (used on Per-Anton Lundstrom, who never played in the NHL).
Hey! Per-Anton Lundström?!

That's a Björklöven player! 8-)
lol nice intel there per.

Chef Boi RD wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:57 am Laine

One trick pony
Teammates don’t care for him
Pouts when’s his teammates don’t pass to him
Gives up on the play when his shots don’t go in
Selfish

But yeah he’s got a great shot, beyond that he’s awful.
You boil the NHL down into two segments - it's putting the puck in the net and keeping it out.

Laine is exceptional at putting in the net, it's all that matters in the end to help your franchise win it all.
The Brown Wizard wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:23 am
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:35 am He has 110 goals in three seasons. A few klowns on this board have called him better than Matthews multiple times.
He has an exceptional shot and not much else. Hes also enjoyed the benefits of playing on a powerhouse full of excellent forechecking forewards.

Hes nowhere near Matthews whatsoever
Hasn't Matthews enjoyed Marner's elite passing game?
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Matthews deserves his top line slot whereas Laine hasnt usurped Wheeler or Connor from the 1st line wing slots.

However Laine did ride the 1st unit PP with them all year so what does that tell you.

Not to mention Marner was feeding johnny PJs more than Matthews
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SKYO wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:37 pm
ESQ wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:13 pm
SKYO wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:43 pm This still only 21 year old - 6'5" Laine goal production is off the charts.

2019 30 goals (injured season). Playoffs 6pg, 3g.
2018 44 goals. Playoffs 17gp, 5g, 7 assists.
2017 36 goals.
Skyo, you have to check out Laine's game log. He got 13 goals in 10 days in November.

He was ice cold most of the year - 3 goals in October,3 in December, 1 in January, 4 in Feb, 1 in March.

If he could put up that November performance say, twice a year, he could break records. But as it is, I can't help but think his best days are behind him at 21.
It be scary thinking of Laine with Barzal, McDavid or Tavares, dude would go buck wild, he's scoring all those goals at such a young age with mostly mediocre centermen, he even admitted as such, iirc Laine's main center he's been with is Bryan Little, Jets tried to upgrade a couple times by giving up two 1st rounders for rentals in Stastny and Hayes.

Plus he scored 30 with an injured back for christ sake.

Give him a decent center and he'll be sniping 40, 50+ goals in easily per season. Also I believe Laine in his prime can score 60 goals.

Boeser has been fortunate to have either Horvat or Petey to work with.........vastly better centers than Little.

Can't help but think this could be another Jets-Selanne-Ducks scenario.
1996 - Winnipeg would send Selanne, Marc Chouinard and a fourth-round pick to Anaheim in exchange for Tverdovsky, Kilger and a third-round pick (used on Per-Anton Lundstrom, who never played in the NHL).
Laine with an elite center means Laine facing elite defencemen, which he doesn't currently.

According to Laine, his back is degenerative and will require surgery in the future - we know what back surgery does to NHLers.
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:35 am He has 110 goals in three seasons. A few klowns on this board have called him better than Matthews multiple times.
Jonathan Cheechoo had 121 goals in three years starting from his sophomore year.
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Cheechoo had those years playing with maybe the second best playmaker to ever play the game and he was aged 23-27 with a lockout year sandwiched in there. Laine has played most of his time with Brian Little as an 18-21 year old. Big difference.
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Doyle Hargraves wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:51 am Cheechoo had those years playing with maybe the second best playmaker to ever play the game and he was aged 23-27 with a lockout year sandwiched in there. Laine has played most of his time with Brian Little as an 18-21 year old. Big difference.
He sat on the the left wing boards hammering one timers all year on a top 5 ranked powerplay.

Its not the linemates fault with Laine...he doesnt want to dig for pucks
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The Brown Wizard wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:01 pm
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:51 am Cheechoo had those years playing with maybe the second best playmaker to ever play the game and he was aged 23-27 with a lockout year sandwiched in there. Laine has played most of his time with Brian Little as an 18-21 year old. Big difference.
He sat on the the left wing boards hammering one timers all year on a top 5 ranked powerplay.

Its not the linemates fault with Laine...he doesnt want to dig for pucks
But more than half of his goals are not on the powerplay - but 5v5 playing with crappy Little.

And this heat map shows Laine shoots from everywhere, not just in Ovechkin's office.

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See how hard some damn good players work at just getting a shot at the bigs. The self-determination and entitlement of Laine is gross.
Spoiled brat syndrome. Either that or he's simply a p***k.
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Laine apologizing to his mates.
Jets centre Bryan Little told reporters on Thursday that Laine contacted him this week after the restricted free agent spoke to Finland's Iltalehti about not being put on the first line with Winnipeg's top players like Mark Scheifele and Blake Wheeler.

"I actually talked to him two or three days ago," said Little, who had Laine on his wing for most of last season. "He texted me and asked me to call him so I called him up and chatted for a few minutes. He was saying sorry and apologizing for just the way I think it was interpreted, which I kind of understood before I even talked to him.

"I know Patty well enough to know he's not someone who's going to purposely say negative things - especially about his teammates."

Laine is currently in Switzerland skating with SC Bern and Little said he knew that there was some misunderstanding about what Laine said.

"I said, 'you don't have to apologize to me, I get it,'" Little continued. "Sometimes things are misunderstood. I knew right away he wants to play with the best players. That's kind of the way he was saying it. And yeah, 'Scheifs' and 'Wheels' are our best players and I'd like to play with those guys too.

"I think everyone does. When you're young and you want to score more goals and get more points and play with the best and get more ice time and stuff like that. I think he was just voicing that - he just wants to be one of our go-to guys."

Laine, 21, posted 30 goals and 50 points in 82 games last season, while Little tallied 15 goals and 41 points in 82 games.

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SKYO wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:32 pm Laine apologizing to his mates.
That's a nice start at least. Keep going...
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Sounds like one of those non-apology apologies.

I'm sorry that I said something that was interpreted the wrong way (by someone else).

I'm sorry that I said something that made you upset (it's your fault you're upset).

I'm sorry I offended you (it's your peculiar standards that are to blame).

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The Brown Wizard wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:33 am Matthews deserves his top line slot whereas Laine hasnt usurped Wheeler or Connor from the 1st line wing slots.

However Laine did ride the 1st unit PP with them all year so what does that tell you.

Not to mention Marner was feeding johnny PJs more than Matthews
Yeah, AM hardly saw Marner at even strength... only on the PP.

His main linemates last year were declining Marleau and non-playmaking Kapanen.

(with a dash of rookie Johnsson)

Don't tell Tuna but I have a bad feeling Matthews is gonna score 50 this year. :wow:

I've seen him a bit in the preseason and he's on a mission.

Having said that, I don't see the Tavares/Marner line putting up quite as many points...
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The Brown Wizard wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:23 am
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:35 am He has 110 goals in three seasons. A few klowns on this board have called him better than Matthews multiple times.
He has an exceptional shot and not much else. Hes also enjoyed the benefits of playing on a powerhouse full of excellent forechecking forewards.

Hes nowhere near Matthews whatsoever
I’m not a massive Laine fan but there were posters on this here board that claimed he was better than Matthews. That said 110 goals in three years at that age is nothing to sneeze at.
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micky107 wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:26 pm See how hard some damn good players work at just getting a shot at the bigs. The self-determination and entitlement of Laine is gross.
Spoiled brat syndrome. Either that or he's simply a p***k.
He needs a hockey daddy. A coach or older player who can discipline him in a way acceptable to the boy. To say he is a one trick pony may be true now but imagine what he could be if developed properly.
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