Because you "feel" a better deal was available doesn't mean it was....
My post outlined why I and many others don't have a problem with the deal, if you disagree then share why....
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Because you "feel" a better deal was available doesn't mean it was....
My thoughts exactly Doc.Strangelove wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:13 pmI LOVE THIS TRADE!!Cornuck wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:45 am TRADE: The Lightning have traded forward J.T. Miller to Vancouver for a conditional first-round pick in 2020, a third-round selection in 2019 and goaltender Marek Mazanec. Should the Canucks not make the playoffs in 2019-20, the first-round selection will move to the 2021 draft.
Miller is a large, fast, physical top six forward who plays all 3 forward positions.
And he's on a great contract.
When Miller plays in the top 6 (he didn't last season on a deep Tampa team) he racks up the points.
Your Vancouver Canucks needed a player like this, Blob Buddies need to break out of rebuild mentality.
It's time.
Try to focus on the Stanley Cup.
Jimmy will recoup a 1st in another trade along the way...
Rejoice Canuck fans!
REJOICE!!!
Hi DieHard..Fair point, but as per usual with Jimbo once he gets a player in mind he pays more than anybody else would regardless of the circumstances. He overpaid for Guddy who was a disaster, he overpaid for Linden Vey who was also terrible, he overpaid for Brandon Sutter who has been below average at best, he threw away a pick for Pedan.
Hi Rikster,rikster wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:44 pmHi DieHard..Fair point, but as per usual with Jimbo once he gets a player in mind he pays more than anybody else would regardless of the circumstances. He overpaid for Guddy who was a disaster, he overpaid for Linden Vey who was also terrible, he overpaid for Brandon Sutter who has been below average at best, he threw away a pick for Pedan.
I don't judge transactions against perfection.....sure I'd like to see the team win every deal but that isn't based on reality...
I base the job Bennings done against the other GM's in the leagues track records...
And I look at deals differently based on who had the leverage, the Kesler deal and the Edler signing are examples of transactions Benning made with and without leverage...
As I said in my post, I expect the team to be a lottery team at the next draft but not the draft after that....If Benning is giving Tampa a lottery pick in 2021 then he shouldn't be here...
So they traded a former first rounder who is a very good, young top 6 player for a pick that won't see the NHl for at least 4 years, if he sees it at all....
And you could look at the deal as a 2nd round pick which got elevated to a first round pick because of Millers very favorable contract....
If we are throwing around assumptions to make our arguments, I'm assuming that there were competing offers for Miller and Tampa chose Vancouver because they were the team with the lowest point total making their offer potentially the best...
Take care...
Give it up, Rickey sees what he wants to see.Diehard1 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:13 pmHi Rikster,rikster wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:44 pmHi DieHard..Fair point, but as per usual with Jimbo once he gets a player in mind he pays more than anybody else would regardless of the circumstances. He overpaid for Guddy who was a disaster, he overpaid for Linden Vey who was also terrible, he overpaid for Brandon Sutter who has been below average at best, he threw away a pick for Pedan.
I don't judge transactions against perfection.....sure I'd like to see the team win every deal but that isn't based on reality...
I base the job Bennings done against the other GM's in the leagues track records...
And I look at deals differently based on who had the leverage, the Kesler deal and the Edler signing are examples of transactions Benning made with and without leverage...
As I said in my post, I expect the team to be a lottery team at the next draft but not the draft after that....If Benning is giving Tampa a lottery pick in 2021 then he shouldn't be here...
So they traded a former first rounder who is a very good, young top 6 player for a pick that won't see the NHl for at least 4 years, if he sees it at all....
And you could look at the deal as a 2nd round pick which got elevated to a first round pick because of Millers very favorable contract....
If we are throwing around assumptions to make our arguments, I'm assuming that there were competing offers for Miller and Tampa chose Vancouver because they were the team with the lowest point total making their offer potentially the best...
Take care...
Not really sure what you are referring to re: throwing around assumptions, but I will play along. If we assume there were competing offers that’s fine, but for whatever reason Jimbo likes to overpay in picks in his trades. I don’t think his player for player trades are terrible, it’s his insistence on throwing in picks that gets to me. As you said the Bolts saw a 1st from the Nucks as more valuable than other teams which should mean Jimbo can get more back as well. He doesn’t seem to see it that way - if TBay had added a 2nd in return I would be fine with it but Jimbo just doesn’t seem to be able to push other GMs.
If we assume the Nucks are a lottery team this year then it looks better - I just hate cheering for the team to not make the playoffs. We’ve had enough of that as a fan base. I guess you could say it’s a win win for Canuck fans (playoffs or lottery) but I prefer to look at team building as a long term exercise.
I like the player and think he fits well with the team, just wish it wasn't making the deal so we wouldn’t always have to worry about giving up too much.
I’m willing to give Jimbo the rest of the summer to fix the mess he has created - at least two or three of Sutter, Spooner, Schaller, Loui, Goldy, Granlund should be gone - but he’s already given up his most valuable trade chip when it’s hard to see why it was necessary.
Sure, but first read my post and maybe you can spot the words that already answered your question.
Lookig at the other GMs...This weekend we saw several deals involving teams with Cap difficulty. Nashville got very little of value for a high-impact, top-pairing Dman. Toronto had to give up a first round pick to get out from under the final year of Marleau's deal. Tampa managed to clear cap, and add two draft picks, including a first, for one of their depth wingers. That's what stands out for me. In addition to not wanting to give up picks (particularly first rounders) as a team just trying to exit a rebuild, we don't take advantage of Tampa's cap situation at all.rikster wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:44 pm I don't judge transactions against perfection.....sure I'd like to see the team win every deal but that isn't based on reality...
I base the job Bennings done against the other GM's in the leagues track records...
If we are throwing around assumptions to make our arguments, I'm assuming that there were competing offers for Miller and Tampa chose Vancouver because they were the team with the lowest point total making their offer potentially the best...
Take care...
PK is on the decline, With a massively contract. 2x 2nds and 2 prospects is a bit of an overpayment..Island Nucklehead wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:48 amLookig at the other GMs...This weekend we saw several deals involving teams with Cap difficulty. Nashville got very little of value for a high-impact, top-pairing Dman. Toronto had to give up a first round pick to get out from under the final year of Marleau's deal. Tampa managed to clear cap, and add two draft picks, including a first, for one of their depth wingers. That's what stands out for me. In addition to not wanting to give up picks (particularly first rounders) as a team just trying to exit a rebuild, we don't take advantage of Tampa's cap situation at all.rikster wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:44 pm I don't judge transactions against perfection.....sure I'd like to see the team win every deal but that isn't based on reality...
I base the job Bennings done against the other GM's in the leagues track records...
If we are throwing around assumptions to make our arguments, I'm assuming that there were competing offers for Miller and Tampa chose Vancouver because they were the team with the lowest point total making their offer potentially the best...
Take care...
I view this trade similarly to the Gudbranson deal. It's an overpayment for a complimentary player.
On the ice, however, this should make Horvat's life that much easier. Now if we could just find a way to get rid of the last Centre GMJB overpaid for...
That is interesting, he had identical production to Johnson and Palat, but did it in 1:20 less ice time. Lots of PP time though.micky107 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:44 am This statistical link may help indicate how Miller's ice time and value was (maybe) not being fully weaponized within Tampa's organization..