The Official Dave Ayres CC "All Thing Leaves" thread

[Meds]

Despite Doc's "willing" I don't think Matthews will crash after his next contract. He's a good player.

Would you believe a career-ending injury?

If you can pull that off I have a list of other players that I'd like to pass your way.....if you're willing (<==see wot I did dere )

[Cousin Strawberry]

Was signing Tavares when you had such good up and coming players already in the system a mistake?

Holy fuck youre right. It looked sooo good at the time though lol. Fuck thats gotta suck for tuner

Is dumbass waldo without a hat or more like the "can you hear me now?" guy?

[BigTuna]

https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/ ... lly-likely

Great article on that guarantee of a bunch of offersheets all of you expect. The writer says the same as I did: 4 1st rounders is just too much to pay.

To get below the four-draft-pick threshold on a seven-year contract, a team would have to offer-sheet Marner for no more than $50,741,510, which would carry an actual cap hit slightly below $7.25 million (showing my work: 10,148,302 x 5 = 50,741,510, / 7 = 7,248,787). If Marner signed it, the leaves would laugh and immediately match it. Dubas has been preparing all year to make room for Marner and Auston Matthews. Acquiring defenseman Jake Muzzin’s extra year at a $4-million AAV all but ensures Jake Gardiner walks as a UFA. He would’ve cost a lot more than Muzzin’s 2019-20 cap hit to retain, so Dubas has essentially freed up money.

See the catch-22 here? Offer sheet Marner for just under the highest compensation threshold and the leaves match it easily. Offer sheet him for a number in the highest compensation threshold, and it’s difficult to imagine any team surrendering four first-rounders for any single player"

[BigTuna]

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Any team that offer sheets Matthews and successfully lands him will automatically be a team that is a threat to make the playoffs, and they will have years ahead of themselves to build a true Cup contender around Matthews. I honestly can't think of a team in the league right now that would still suck if they were able to add a franchise center at no roster cost.

Despite Doc's "willing" I don't think Matthews will crash after his next contract. He's a good player.

If Matthews gets tendered Dubas will match, he has to. That will immediately screw the internal salary structure in Toronto and Marner or Nylander will be the victim of it. Probably Marner because so long as he is unsigned nobody will trade much of value for Nylander and his 4 goal season pace.

Dubas inherited a team that was so rich in young talent that he got too greedy and shot himself in the foot by not trading Nylander. He had all of his cake and he wanted to eat it. The result was disruption of some very good chemistry that the Leaves had been running along with for the first half of the season. Nylander came back and the line up juggled and someone got displaced. Nylander hasn't produced, and the Leaves have stumbled through the back half of December and January. Had he traded Nylander to a team like Carolina, who was rumoured to be VERY INTERESTED, the team would have remained solid and he would have had wiggle room.

Now he brings in Muzzin, a good move that cost him a 1st, but Muzzin is under contract next year and that means less room for Gardiner.

The NHL is a business, and the players get that, but consider how it will look if Dubas is forced to trade Nylander only 6 months after giving him a massive contract and swearing up and down he's not going to move him? How does it look if Gardiner, who has been a Leaf for years, is suddenly displaced by Muzzin and has to be dealt or let go because there simply isn't room? Now fewer people are willing to "take one" for the team and help the GM build via "hometown discounts".

There is just no way to keep Matthews and Marner and not tear some minor guts out of the existing team.

[b]Was signing Tavares when you had such good up and coming players already in the system a mistake?[/b]

The spin I'm reading is hilarious. Only in this instance will you ever admit the leaves had great young talent.
And Nylander would have been traded if he thought it would cost him a young player. He truly does not.

And LOL at spinning it that Jake Gardiner must be kept. He was always goners. Muzzin replces his good cap hit for 1 extra year, and buys them extra year of deveopment for Liljegren/Sadin. That's what that trade was about. Gardiner will get 6-7 on the open market. Toronto has zero interest.

[ESQ]

See the catch-22 here? Offer sheet Marner for just under the highest compensation threshold and the Leaves match it easily. Offer sheet him for a number in the highest compensation threshold, and it’s difficult to imagine any team surrendering four first-rounders for any single player"[/b]

Duh, dude, we get it. The point isnt Marner is going to leave for picks. The point is, an offer sheet will force Dubas to spend more than the $4 million or so he had budgeted (Lol!) for Marner.

Then, you can pilfer the rest of the team when he's forced into a corner.

For example - Dubas will have to move Nylander, and will now receive far less than the 1/2/3 picks if he'd signed an offer sheet.

The other fun thing is Matthews can sign an offer sheet that juuuust takes him to UFA age. He gets the big bucks, peaces out of Toronto at the first opportunity, and Toronto winds up receiving nothing for losing Matthews.

But hey, you got this year for a window, so go set up your lawn chair now for the parade!

[Meds]

Any team that offer sheets Matthews and successfully lands him will automatically be a team that is a threat to make the playoffs, and they will have years ahead of themselves to build a true Cup contender around Matthews. I honestly can't think of a team in the league right now that would still suck if they were able to add a franchise center at no roster cost.

Despite Doc's "willing" I don't think Matthews will crash after his next contract. He's a good player.

If Matthews gets tendered Dubas will match, he has to. That will immediately screw the internal salary structure in Toronto and Marner or Nylander will be the victim of it. Probably Marner because so long as he is unsigned nobody will trade much of value for Nylander and his 4 goal season pace.

Dubas inherited a team that was so rich in young talent that he got too greedy and shot himself in the foot by not trading Nylander. He had all of his cake and he wanted to eat it. The result was disruption of some very good chemistry that the Leaves had been running along with for the first half of the season. Nylander came back and the line up juggled and someone got displaced. Nylander hasn't produced, and the Leaves have stumbled through the back half of December and January. Had he traded Nylander to a team like Carolina, who was rumoured to be VERY INTERESTED, the team would have remained solid and he would have had wiggle room.

Now he brings in Muzzin, a good move that cost him a 1st, but Muzzin is under contract next year and that means less room for Gardiner.

The NHL is a business, and the players get that, but consider how it will look if Dubas is forced to trade Nylander only 6 months after giving him a massive contract and swearing up and down he's not going to move him? How does it look if Gardiner, who has been a Leaf for years, is suddenly displaced by Muzzin and has to be dealt or let go because there simply isn't room? Now fewer people are willing to "take one" for the team and help the GM build via "hometown discounts".

There is just no way to keep Matthews and Marner and not tear some minor guts out of the existing team.

Was signing Tavares when you had such good up and coming players already in the system a mistake?

The spin I'm reading is hilarious. Only in this instance will you ever admit the Leaves had great young talent.
And Nylander would have been traded if he thought it would cost him a young player. He truly does not.

And LOL at spinning it that Jake Gardiner must be kept. He was always goners. Muzzin replces his good cap hit for 1 extra year, and buys them extra year of deveopment for Liljegren/Sadin. That's what that trade was about. Gardiner will get 6-7 on the open market. Toronto has zero interest.

When has anyone said that Matthew, Marner, Reilly, Kapanen, and Nylander, were not young talents? Hell even Gardiner was still a "young talent" when they drafted Nylander.

Where did I say that Gardiner must be kept? But he has been a core piece of your blueline for several years. Optics are optics no matter how you wanna spin it.

[Mickey107]

If Dubas is to hold on to all of his, supposed, core, someone or two will have to give the old home town discount.
All your number crunching Tuna, your basing on perfect case scenario. When does that happen?
Your manager is going to have to buck-up, do his homework, and try and find an undiscovered gold prospect in someone's system
and virtually hand over Nylander to some patsy, then just take the fan and media barbs that will come and carry on with an oopsy grin.
In other words, like he always looks.

[Hockey Widow]

If he can find a way to get both Matthews and Mariner while losing just Nylander he will be alright. His mistake was in signing Nylander. He allegedly had decent offers for him albeit undervalued but that is what leverage results in. But he won’t have the money to shore up the defence, once again.

[BigTuna]

See the catch-22 here? Offer sheet Marner for just under the highest compensation threshold and the Leaves match it easily. Offer sheet him for a number in the highest compensation threshold, and it’s difficult to imagine any team surrendering four first-rounders for any single player"[/b]

Duh, dude, we get it. The point isnt Marner is going to leave for picks. The point is, an offer sheet will force Dubas to spend more than the $4 million or so he had budgeted (Lol!) for Marner.

Then, you can pilfer the rest of the team when he's forced into a corner.

For example - Dubas will have to move Nylander, and will now receive far less than the 1/2/3 picks if he'd signed an offer sheet.

The other fun thing is Matthews can sign an offer sheet that juuuust takes him to UFA age. He gets the big bucks, peaces out of Toronto at the first opportunity, and Toronto winds up receiving nothing for losing Matthews.

But hey, you got this year for a window, so go set up your lawn chair now for the parade!

I am praying for offersheets. I want those picks.

Rumour is, all RFAs want out and will get offersheets. Toronto is so screwed. Time to rebuild.

No other team's players will get an offersheet however.


However, to correct you on one thing, no team will offer Matthews a deal that takes him right to UFA if they are giving up 4 first rounders. It'll be 7 years or bust.

[BigTuna]

If he can find a way to get both Matthews and Mariner while losing just Nylander he will be alright. His mistake was in signing Nylander. He allegedly had decent offers for him albeit undervalued but that is what leverage results in. But he won’t have the money to shore up the defence, once again.

Dubas drafted Ramus Sandin last June and acquired Muzzin last week.

[BigTuna]

If Dubas is to hold on to all of his, supposed, core, someone or two will have to give the old home town discount.
All your number crunching Tuna, your basing on perfect case scenario. When does that happen?
Your manager is going to have to buck-up, do his homework, and try and find an undiscovered gold prospect in someone's system
and virtually hand over Nylander to some patsy, then just take the fan and media barbs that will come and carry on with an oopsy grin.
In other words, like he always looks.

I love how in your world not a single player can get traded by Toronto. No one wants them. No way to free-up cap space.

Trading Connor Brown alone (easy) and inserting newly signed Trevor Moore alone likely gets you under the cap.

[BigTuna]

Left Wing Centre Right Wing
[​IMG]
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,000,000
LW
RFA [​IMG]
Matthews, Auston
$11,000,000
C
RFA [​IMG]
Kapanen, Kasperi
$5,000,000
RW
RFA
[​IMG]
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2 [​IMG]
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6 [​IMG]
Marner, Mitchell
$9,000,000
RW
RFA
[​IMG]
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2 [​IMG]
Kadri, Nazem
$4,500,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3 [​IMG]
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, C
UFA - 5
[​IMG]
Marchment, Mason
$767,500
LW
RFA - 1 [​IMG]
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1 [​IMG]
Bracco, Jeremy
$842,500
RW
RFA - 1
[​IMG]
Engvall, Pierre
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1

Left Defense Right Defense Goaltender
[​IMG]
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
D
UFA - 1 [​IMG]
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
D
UFA - 3 [​IMG]
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
[​IMG]
Gardiner, Jake
$6,000,000
D
UFA [​IMG]
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
[​IMG]
D
RFA - 1 [​IMG]
Sparks, Garret
$1,000,000
G
RFA
[​IMG]
Sandin, Rasmus
$925,000
D
RFA - 2 [​IMG]
Liljegren, Timothy
$894,166
D
RFA - 2
[​IMG]
Holl, Justin
$675,000

[Meds]

I like how you are giving your leading scorer $2M less than Matthews and Tavares. Lol!

Marner and Matthews will get matching deals or you can bet it’s gonna be The Nylander Saga 2.0 for Toronto in 2019.

[Chef Boi RD]

The leaves will 3 contracts totalling $33 million! Lol. Good luck with that Dubas. 4 contracts totalling $40 schmill if you count NILanders 1 goal in 23 games. Lol 18 more players to go on a 22 man roster.

[BigTuna]

The Leaves will 3 contracts totalling $33 million! Lol. Good luck with that Dubas. 4 contracts totalling $40 schmill if you count NILanders 1 goal in 23 games. Lol 18 more players to go on a 22 man roster.

Tampa is paying the same.