The Great Jim Benning Debate! (And personal insult thread)

[Ronning's Ghost]

What question?

The one that re-started the thread:

So will this be the year that this is finally Bennings team? He’s now had five drafts, he’s heading to his fifth UFA season and hes had 4 + years to make trades. At what point does this team become his creation?

I'd be interested to read your take on this.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Pedan and Vey were ruined because they were shitty players. Their organizations knew this and pawned them off on Lennie Small.

For the one billionth and second time, an overpaid slug like Sutter should have had a 2nd attached him. Not a pick swap. Canucks should have been able to keep the 2nd and gotten the 3rd back for taking on a bigger salary and helping the Penguins out. You have trouble getting this through your thick skull. When teams help a team out of cap hell there is a benefit to doing so.

Gudbranson had five years in the league. Guys usually are what they are at that point. And like we have seen he hasn’t improved at all in two years.

[Strangelove]

HA!

Yes, and Canucks will make the playoffs this season, you can take that to the bank Cliffy!

[Blob Mckenzie]

The old party line about not being able to handle a rebuild. In case you forget I’m the guy who wants the GM to acquire more picks in order to rebuild and develop a deep organization similar to what the Jets and Predators have done. You and your crew want to fastrack the rebuild by trading picks and kids for mid 20 something players like Sutter, Gudbranson, Baertschi, Vey, Pedan, Pouliott etc. You guys can’t wait for future draft picks to develop and want instant gratification. But it’s me that can’t handle a rebuild.

This point continues to evade the apologists*. They keep preaching their false narrative notwithstanding direct evidence to the contrary. But then how could they continue to be apologists if they actually responded with something other than ad hominens when presented with reasoned analysis?

*Replace "cultist(s)" with "apologist(s)" at your discretion.

Yep the Instant Gratification Crew can’t see the forest for the trees. They like to spew out about everyone else not being able to handle a rebuild but it is they who are in denial.

Say no yo the IGC.... just as bad as the NDP.

[Strangelove]

Pedan and Vey were ruined because they were shitty players. Their organizations knew this and pawned them off on Lennie Small.

Dragging another one into the ditch Blobby?

For the one billionth and second time, an overpaid slug like Sutter should have had a 2nd attached him.

This conversation was started by YOU complaining about giving up kids/picks for "instant gratification".

YOU said Mr Sutter was acquired in said fashion.

YOU were wrong and now YOU are trying to move the goalposts.

Gudbranson had five years in the league. Guys usually are what they are at that point.

No, 24-year-old defensemen are usually not all they can be at that age.

Give up yet?

[Blob Mckenzie]

Lol why would I give up? You countered zero of my points.

[Strangelove]

See what I mean folks?

These folks ignore "reasoned analysis"... so eventually one tires of wasting one's time.

[Ronning's Ghost]

Yes, and Canucks will make the playoffs this season, you can take that to the bank Cliffy!

And look good once they get there, of course.

Thank you for a definite answer. More posters should be so bold.

[Island Nucklehead]

"The point" has been addressed by "the apologists" many, many times.

All those players were young when they were brought in.

(it's not "instant gratification" when you bring in young developing players while retaining the standard number of picks)

(and for the billionth time no kid/prospect was given up in the Sutter trade)

You could apply the same reasoning to Burke's acquisition of Phil Kessel.

He was young an still developing. Hell, the leaves, despite not being able to draft Tyler Seguin in 2010 or Dougie Hamilton in 2011, still had the "standard number of picks" at the entry draft (7 in 2010, and 9 in 2011).

This was Benning's strategy his first couple years here (trying to take a short-cut, although thankfully he never went Full Burke). Like the leaves did, it appears the Canucks have learned this lesson, and have adopted a more traditional rebuild strategy.

[Strangelove]

"The point" has been addressed by "the apologists" many, many times.

All those players were young when they were brought in.

(it's not "instant gratification" when you bring in young developing players while retaining the standard number of picks)

(and for the billionth time no kid/prospect was given up in the Sutter trade)

You could apply the same reasoning to Burke's acquisition of Phil Kessel.

He was young an still developing. Hell, the leaves, despite not being able to draft Tyler Seguin in 2010 or Dougie Hamilton in 2011, still had the "standard number of picks" at the entry draft (7 in 2010, and 9 in 2011).

This was Benning's strategy his first couple years here (trying to take a short-cut, although thankfully he never went Full Burke). Like the leaves did, it appears the Canucks have learned this lesson, and have adopted a more traditional rebuild strategy.

Every team gives up picks for players.

But giving up unprotected firsts is a whole new ballgame.

Apples and orangutans.

"Full Burke" indeed.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Diehard had a great line about Abbotsford.

Most of his points are like trying to nail jello to a wall

[Strangelove]

Diehard had a great line about Abbotsford.

Most of his points are like trying to nail jello to a wall

Yes Blob you are like jello.

[2Fingers]

Yes, and Canucks will make the playoffs this season, you can take that to the bank Cliffy!

And look good once they get there, of course.

Thank you for a definite answer. More posters should be so bold.

Canucks will make the playoffs in 2019/2020 season.

Canucks will advance to third round in 2021/2022 season.

Even with Hughes this year the Canucks do not have the defence to get them out of a lottery pick next year. We desperately need Julio/Hughes to be worth the position they were drafted.

Demko needs 20 games this year, half season next season and the take the reins for the 2020/2021 season.

This assuming no major trades or FA pick ups, except to fill holes. This means no JT or Carlson type guys.

Defencemen normally need 2-4 years from drafting to be impactful players. Forwards can be quicker.

Written on phone so pardon grammar or spelling errors.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Diehard had a great line about Abbotsford.

Most of his points are like trying to nail jello to a wall

Yes Blob you are like jello.

More like granite. And you are armed with a plastic hammer

[Meds]

Diehard had a great line about Abbotsford.

Most of his points are like trying to nail jello to a wall

Yes Blob you are like jello.

More like granite. And you are armed with a plastic hammer

Bahahaha!!! Blobby it’s sooooo true.