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It seem to me that posters here are converging on a consensus for general themes about what to do next, even if they differ in a few specifics. It will be interesting to see whether the ownership/management group moves in the same general direction.
SKYO wrote:Well why can't a plan change like in the real business world? Companies in turmoil always adapt and change direction with the mantra to succeed being the main goal, even if it is a long term plan.
I think everyone here is comfortable with a change in plans, and everyone likes the new plan. The dispute is that there is a faction here that maintains that this has been the plan all along, though management dared not speak its name, and another faction, of which I am a member, that thinks the new plan was started 2.5 years later than it should have been.

Pretty much all of my dissatisfaction with Benning's work has been based on the decision to try a "re-tool-on-the-fly" first. It is what he said he was doing, and what it looked like he was trying to do. (Perhaps in one of Aqilini's, Linden's, or Benning's future there is a tell-all book in which they describe what was really in their hearts and minds for those first two and half years.) I recognize that may not have been his decision, and I'm perfectly prepared to be impressed with how he manages an actual rebuild, now that everyone is clear that that is the mission. The delay in getting started on that will almost certainly mean that any future success will come too late to meet my criterion for genius management, but with a lot of luck, he could still meet the board consensus minimum requirement of conference finals by 2020.
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Topper wrote:
Strangelove wrote:
Topper wrote:
Blob Mckenzie wrote:Again who are these people ?
How's that "eight by twelve two bit room"?
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Island Nucklehead wrote:Everyone knows it hasn't worked, but changing the tone to "three years in" makes it sound like this has been the plan all along. Clearly, it was never the plan to finish as a bottom-feeding team in back-to-back seasons.
Wasn't it? :mex:
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Ronning's Ghost wrote: Pretty much all of my dissatisfaction with Benning's work has been based on the decision to try a "re-tool-on-the-fly" first. It is what he said he was doing, and what it looked like he was trying to do. (Perhaps in one of Aqilini's, Linden's, or Benning's future there is a tell-all book in which they describe what was really in their hearts and minds for those first two and half years.) I recognize that may not have been his decision, and I'm perfectly prepared to be impressed with how he manages an actual rebuild, now that everyone is clear that that is the mission. The delay in getting started on that will almost certainly mean that any future success will come too late to meet my criterion for genius management, but with a lot of luck, he could still meet the board consensus minimum requirement of conference finals by 2020.
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2020 looks clear to me




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Strangelove wrote:(btw this is payback for that Wellwood crack)
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2018 and 2019 look a lot better for free agents than the scabby crew available this year. The goal for Elmer should be to hoard as much cap space over the next two years. No more Eriksson or Sutter type blunders and if they can get rid of either or both of those clowns in the next 18-24 months they need to make that happen. Sign a couple of decent older forwards and maybe one older d man to one year deals so they can be flipped at the deadline. Stay the fuck away from Miller unless it's 3 million or less on a one year deal.

I'd also like to see Tanev moved even though I'm a big fan. For one thing he is going to get injured long term with the pounding he takes and he will also command a very good return. Without Tanev the defence will be a tire fire and is guaranteed a bottom 3 finish and another high pick in a better draft. I'd take a top 8 pick in this years draft or a good young centre like Reinhart back in return.
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Blob Mckenzie wrote:2018 and 2019 look a lot better for free agents than the scabby crew available this year. The goal for Elmer should be to hoard as much cap space over the next two years. No more Eriksson or Sutter type blunders and if they can get rid of either or both of those clowns in the next 18-24 months they need to make that happen. Sign a couple of decent older forwards and maybe one older d man to one year deals so they can be flipped at the deadline. Stay the fuck away from Miller unless it's 3 million or less on a one year deal.

I'd also like to see Tanev moved even though I'm a big fan. For one thing he is going to get injured long term with the pounding he takes and he will also command a very good return. Without Tanev the defence will be a tire fire and is guaranteed a bottom 3 finish and another high pick in a better draft. I'd take a top 8 pick in this years draft or a good young centre like Reinhart back in return.
On board with parts of your mission statement for the 2018 and 2019 FA's Booze, but I think ole Eriksson, will get better the more he gets comfortable. He said, the trade was hard on him and his large family, new country and all and admitted he's slow at adapting to his new surroundings when getting traded

I ain't the biggest Sutter fan either, mainly because he like Tanev are not very durable players and injuries are a problem for a team playing wait out in the Pacific Northwest with shitty travel, we need hardy players in this market. Sutter's 15 team "waive to" part of his contract kicks in soon so he will eventually be easier to get rid of

Reinhart I'm not 100% on, he's like the Landeskog of his draft class, very meh player. But would take him if it isn't for an arm and a leg.
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RoyalDude wrote:On board with parts of your mission statement for the 2018 and 2019 FA's Booze
Wow, even RD and Blob, this board's Hatfield and McCoy, starting to converge on a plan. It will be interesting to see whether management agrees.
Blob Mckenzie wrote: I'd also like to see Tanev moved even though I'm a big fan. For one thing he is going to get injured long term with the pounding he takes and he will also command a very good return.
This is my assessment of Tanev's value to the Canucks too and (torn between not wanting to speak for other posters but wanting to give fair attribution for ideas) Skyo's as well ? I hope management sees the same thing.
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I'm definitely Devil Anse Hatfield. The dude is more like the McCoys
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Tanev gets injured for 2 reasons.
When along the boards, in his own zone, he refuses to take any sort of risk and he eats the puck. Stays stationary with it and THAT, makes him the legal puck carrier. Wham, bang, slam, and it's legal. Stop that!

And, quit blocking shots as though it's the 7th game of a cup final.

He's a really good defenseman but he could be so much more. Great skater, better stick handler than anyone
realizes, (even him), and there is nothing wrong with a low hard shot from the point, he's just reluctant to do it because to this day, still a lack of confidence.
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Blob Mckenzie wrote:2018 and 2019 look a lot better for free agents than the scabby crew available this year. The goal for Elmer should be to hoard as much cap space over the next two years. No more Eriksson or Sutter type blunders and if they can get rid of either or both of those clowns in the next 18-24 months they need to make that happen. Sign a couple of decent older forwards and maybe one older d man to one year deals so they can be flipped at the deadline. Stay the fuck away from Miller unless it's 3 million or less on a one year deal.

I'd also like to see Tanev moved even though I'm a big fan. For one thing he is going to get injured long term with the pounding he takes and he will also command a very good return. Without Tanev the defence will be a tire fire and is guaranteed a bottom 3 finish and another high pick in a better draft. I'd take a top 8 pick in this years draft or a good young centre like Reinhart back in return.
It's odd that you don't like injury prone players but would take Nolan "Mr. Glass" Patrick over Nico Hischier.
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When did I say this? I'm fine with either guy if they get a top 2 pick. Drafting one of them might put Toothpick Sutter on the unprotected list. It's a win - win.
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You moan about Sutter and Tanev and Virtanen being injury prone yet you love Nolan "Andrew Cassels" Patrick. Make up your mind ffs
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I love Patrick ?

I said he's a top 2 pick in a draft that is a bit weaker..... he's a centre which this team needs among other things and I would be fine with either him or Nico. Tanev is one of my favourite Canucks, Sutter plain sucks even if he could stay healthy and Jake is trending towards being a bust regardless of his health. Goldobin has scored 4 goals in 2 games in the AHL. The Fake has 9 goals in 67 games. They were picked in the same draft.
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