Canucks Young Guns

[Chef Boi RD]

Before drafting Juolevi in the 1st round lets take a look at who the Canucks drafted in the first round by position

2015 - Right Winger - Boeser
2014 - Right Winger - Virtanen
2013 - centre and a Right Winger - Horvat Shrinkaruk
2012 - Centre - Gaunce
2011 - Right Winger - Jensen
2010 - pick traded
2009 - Centre - Schroeder
2008 - Centre - Hodgson
2007 - Centre - White
2006 - Right Winger - Grabner
2005 - Defence - Bourdon

Drafting a D-man in the first round in 2016 is so horribly wrong because we've drafted sooooooo many defencemen in the 1st round over the last 12 drafts. Who the fuck does Benning think he is?

[Hockey Widow]

Well Dude the last one did die!

[CrzyCanuck]

Before drafting Juolevi in the 1st round lets take a look at who the Canucks drafted in the first round by position

2015 - Right Winger - Boeser
2014 - Right Winger - Virtanen
2013 - centre and a Right Winger - Horvat Shrinkaruk
2012 - Centre - Gaunce
2011 - Right Winger - Jensen
2010 - pick traded
2009 - Centre - Schroeder
2008 - Centre - Hodgson
2007 - Centre - White
2006 - Right Winger - Grabner
2005 - Defence - Bourdon

Man, what really happened between 2007 to 2013 lol

6 years, 6 first round picks.

Albeit we were contending for a cup during that span but if you compare that to another contender's 1st round picks during their contending period, I wonder how that looks like.

Take for example, San Jose's 1st round picks during their contending years?

[Topper]

from what I've seen of Walt's grandkid, Jake is a Einstein.

[SKYO]

Juolevi might be a solid 2/3 d man but he is puttering along at a 40 point pace again and is a string bean.

I honestly didn't see a number one d man at the WJC of in any of the four games I've seen London play. He looks like Chris Tanev if everything turns out right. Good player but not someone I'd reach for at number five with Tkachuk on the board.

'solid 2/3 dman' 'not reach at #5 with tkachuk on board'

Debatable, I'd say Juolevi will be a top pairing dman, logging big minutes, probably will be our most well rounded #1 dman, not a true league wide NHL #1 but our own #1 dman, a better/smarter version of Edler in time if you will.

It'll take awhile, but taking Juolevi over Tkachuk will work in our favour in time, patience is a virtue here, as top pairing dmen who can play in all situations and put up points is one of the hardest players to acquire in the league, you literally have to draft and develop these rare breeds.

This season on the lackluster Knight team,

Ryan Pyette (London Free Press) on Juolevi:

"[The coaches] asked him to be the defensive-style guy and play the quiet game."

And he's sputtering along at 40pt+ pace still even without "riding the coattails" of Marner/Tkachuk/Dvorak whom have all moved on. That while playing a more smart and defensively responsible game.


Even your bro Tkachuk likes Juolevi's game as per preseason talk:

"He's a very smooth defenceman," Tkachuk said. "He's such a smart player. He has a really good stick and his gaps are really good. You can't gain speed. The lower he gets, he'll stand inches away from you.

He's really smart with the puck and he quarterbacked our play in London, which was awesome.

He's a really smooth puck mover and has a great shot. He has a lot of everything.

"As the levels get higher he just becomes a better player."
https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/knights ... -281920980

Juolevi has won everywhere he went when he's playing with good players obviously, even with crappier players on his current London team he's scoring at the same clip as last year, the WJC finland team had a really young squad with no all-stars too so it's no wonder Juolevi who captained the team wasn't pure dominant.

Some are saying if Juolevi isn't ready for the NHL next year, which could be the case he should go play in Finland or the SHL for a year, as he's still too young for the AHL.

It's well documented that dmen, especially euro dmen take much longer to develop their NHL pro game compared to other positions, so it could take till Juo is 20 years old to be ready, as he's still only 18 years old, can't even get into a bar yet in BC.

[CrzyCanuck]

Even your bro Tkachuk likes Juolevi's game as per preseason talk:

"He's a very smooth defenceman," Tkachuk said. "He's such a smart player. He has a really good stick and his gaps are really good. You can't gain speed. The lower he gets, he'll stand inches away from you.

He's really smart with the puck and he quarterbacked our play in London, which was awesome.

He's a really smooth puck mover and has a great shot. He has a lot of everything.

"As the levels get higher he just becomes a better player."
https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/knights ... -281920980

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But most players are smarter than Tkachuk

Look at his choice of "really + []" descriptive words.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Don't get some fans who demand a home run on every transaction management makes, whether it be a player transaction or a contract transaction....


Take care...

I don't get some fans ( 4 in particular on this board ) who think Benning hasn't made a single error in his time in the job and EVERY move he has made is a home run into the upper deck from the Virtanen pick to the Eriksson signing.

[rikster]

Don't get some fans who demand a home run on every transaction management makes, whether it be a player transaction or a contract transaction....


Take care...

I don't get some fans ( 4 in particular on this board ) who think Benning hasn't made a single error in his time in the job and EVERY move he has made is a home run into the upper deck from the Virtanen pick to the Eriksson signing.

You're so negative Blob...

Maybe its just me, but I come to places like this to get away from the day to day grind and spend some mindless time reading and sometimes contributing to talk about a game...

It's not about whose opinion is right and whose is wrong, its about sharing opinions with the understanding that we are all talking thru our rear ends at the end of the day...

The Xbox mentality that seems to have taken over sports media seems to thinks that every move has to be a win, I liken it more to a chess game where its a long game and sometimes throw away moves are made to set up that end move....

Take care...

[Chef Boi RD]

The Xbox mentality that seems to have taken over sports media seems to thinks that every move has to be a win, I liken it more to a chess game where its a long game and sometimes throw away moves are made to set up that end move....

Take care...

Blob? Chess? Yeah no.

Slow Pitch, yes. But Chess? No

[Chef Boi RD]

Don't get some fans who demand a home run on every transaction management makes, whether it be a player transaction or a contract transaction....


Take care...

I don't get some fans ( 4 in particular on this board ) who think Benning hasn't made a single error in his time in the job and EVERY move he has made is a home run into the upper deck from the Virtanen pick to the Eriksson signing.

So Blob are the books written on the Virtanen pick and Eriksson signing?

[Topper]

The Xbox mentality that seems to have taken over sports media seems to thinks that every move has to be a win, I liken it more to a chess game where its a long game and sometimes throw away moves are made to set up that end move....

Take care...

Blob? Chess? Yeah no.

Slow Pitch, yes. But Chess? No

Blob lost at lawn darts.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Rikster don't confuse negativity with reality.

I talk out of my ass as much as anyone but trying to have a decent discussion with the guzzlers about anything Benning is like a Martian trying to talk to a Fungoe.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Don't get some fans who demand a home run on every transaction management makes, whether it be a player transaction or a contract transaction....


Take care...

I don't get some fans ( 4 in particular on this board ) who think Benning hasn't made a single error in his time in the job and EVERY move he has made is a home run into the upper deck from the Virtanen pick to the Eriksson signing.

So Blob are the books written on the Virtanen pick and Eriksson signing?

Spidey, the Virtanen pick is looking bad but I have hope that he gets it together . The Eriksson signing made zero sense for this team. He's a decent player but the contract is a poison pill similar to Brandon Sutters contract.

[Mickey107]

Don't get some fans who demand a home run on every transaction management makes, whether it be a player transaction or a contract transaction....


Take care...

I don't get some fans ( 4 in particular on this board ) who think Benning hasn't made a single error in his time in the job and EVERY move he has made is a home run into the upper deck from the Virtanen pick to the Eriksson signing.

You're so negative Blob...

Maybe its just me, but I come to places like this to get away from the day to day grind and spend some mindless time reading and sometimes contributing to talk about a game...

It's not about whose opinion is right and whose is wrong, its about sharing opinions with the understanding that we are all talking thru our rear ends at the end of the day...

The Xbox mentality that seems to have taken over sports media seems to thinks that every move has to be a win, I liken it more to a chess game where its a long game and sometimes throw away moves are made to set up that end move....

Take care...

Mindless? Mindless you say? Just kidding.

Somewhere down the road, it has to be about who's right or who's wrong.
But, but, who will be the judge?
That could be a bit of a problem.

[Meds]

Juolevi might be a solid 2/3 d man but he is puttering along at a 40 point pace again and is a string bean.

I honestly didn't see a number one d man at the WJC of in any of the four games I've seen London play. He looks like Chris Tanev if everything turns out right. Good player but not someone I'd reach for at number five with Tkachuk on the board.

'solid 2/3 dman' 'not reach at #5 with tkachuk on board'

Debatable, I'd say Juolevi will be a top pairing dman, logging big minutes, probably will be our most well rounded #1 dman, not a true league wide NHL #1 but our own #1 dman, a better/smarter version of Edler in time if you will.

Please don't ever use Edler's name as even a loose comparison to one of our prospects, it just depresses me.

I agree with you though SKYO, we will likely see OJ become a top pairing guy who QB's the PP with skill. His frame is not dissimilar to Duncan Keith's, and the smooth skating style is also comparable. Keith was drafted as a 19 year old in the 2nd round, few teams were scrambling to get him when Chicago took him 54th overall. His first NHL season came 3 years later and it wasn't terrible for a young defenseman as he put up 21 points in 81 games.....but just as a comparable, Chris Tanev put up 17 points in 64 games at around the same age.

Keith didn't take off until Toews and Kane took off and Seabrook was his regular partner.

I'm not trying to say that Keith isn't a legitimate 2 time Norris winning defenseman, I'm just saying that it took time for him to get there, and he was nowhere near as highly rated as Juolevi is at the same age. I'm also not saying that Juolevi is going to become that good.....just that the negativity surrounding him being chosen over Tkachuk is unfounded.

Does anyone here think that Tkachuk would be playing anywhere close to the same minutes, or getting the same chances, or skating with similar linemates, here in Vancouver? Tkachuk's defensive game was beyond terrible at the beginning of the year, and he takes a lot of really, really, dumb penalties. Willie would have stapled him to the bench and then had Elmer assign him back to junior.