The Official Dave Ayres CC "All Thing Leaves" thread

[Blob Mckenzie]

Dumb comment. Eriksson is not a bottom six player. He's still a top six guy struggling to find his way a bit. His coach is a fucking idiot and has no idea how to deploy certain players. The fact they he hasn't skated with Horvat at all this year is a travesty considering his lack of chemistry with Sedin and Sutter.

All of this aside it was a very dumb signing for Vancouver and made little sense from day 1.

[Chef Boi RD]

There he goes with Connor Brown again, LOL

You laughed and said Connor Brown was nothing. I showed you stats showing how he's been better than your aging, 6 million per walking concussion, Loui Eriksson.

Now you turn around and talk about supporting depth being important. That was my entire point! Getting cheap, good young players in your bottom 6 is an excellent way to be able to give your stars their money and keep them. I have previously made that point.

The leaves will be able to keep Marner, Matthews, Nylander because they aren't paying a bottom 6 guy 6 million per. They were, but they found a sucker in Columbus to bail them out. Same with Ottawa. Thank you to the Sens for eliminating Dion's 7 million per cap hit.

The way to win is the Chicago way: identity 4-5 important core pieces and pay them their huge contracts. Everyone else is disposable. Even a 22 year-old Saad was deemed expendable as he wasn't going to get much better than he was and wanted 6 million per.

You seem to think the issue is the core getting paid. It is not. That Lucic deal will kill Edmonton. With his style of play he'll just get worse and slower with each passing year. The leaves do not have that issue.

No worries Tuna, your ailment is understandable. We once got excited over rookies like Bill Mukalt and Harold Druken. Come back and talk to us when wisdom gets a hold of you, it's just so unfortunate that wisdom can only come through experience and time, so in the mean time, I guess we put up with your adolescent mind.

[BigTuna]

There he goes with Connor Brown again, LOL

You laughed and said Connor Brown was nothing. I showed you stats showing how he's been better than your aging, 6 million per walking concussion, Loui Eriksson.

Now you turn around and talk about supporting depth being important. That was my entire point! Getting cheap, good young players in your bottom 6 is an excellent way to be able to give your stars their money and keep them. I have previously made that point.

The leaves will be able to keep Marner, Matthews, Nylander because they aren't paying a bottom 6 guy 6 million per. They were, but they found a sucker in Columbus to bail them out. Same with Ottawa. Thank you to the Sens for eliminating Dion's 7 million per cap hit.

The way to win is the Chicago way: identity 4-5 important core pieces and pay them their huge contracts. Everyone else is disposable. Even a 22 year-old Saad was deemed expendable as he wasn't going to get much better than he was and wanted 6 million per.

You seem to think the issue is the core getting paid. It is not. That Lucic deal will kill Edmonton. With his style of play he'll just get worse and slower with each passing year. The leaves do not have that issue.

No worries Tuna, your ailment is understandable. We once got excited over rookies like Bill Mukalt and Harold Druken. Come back and talk to us when wisdom gets a hold of you, it's just so unfortunate that wisdom can only come through experience and time, so in the mean time, I guess we put up with your adolescent mind.

I'm excited about the fact we have the two best rookies in the entire NHl right now. Both are elite.

[Chef Boi RD]

There he goes with Connor Brown again, LOL

You laughed and said Connor Brown was nothing. I showed you stats showing how he's been better than your aging, 6 million per walking concussion, Loui Eriksson.

Now you turn around and talk about supporting depth being important. That was my entire point! Getting cheap, good young players in your bottom 6 is an excellent way to be able to give your stars their money and keep them. I have previously made that point.

The leaves will be able to keep Marner, Matthews, Nylander because they aren't paying a bottom 6 guy 6 million per. They were, but they found a sucker in Columbus to bail them out. Same with Ottawa. Thank you to the Sens for eliminating Dion's 7 million per cap hit.

The way to win is the Chicago way: identity 4-5 important core pieces and pay them their huge contracts. Everyone else is disposable. Even a 22 year-old Saad was deemed expendable as he wasn't going to get much better than he was and wanted 6 million per.

You seem to think the issue is the core getting paid. It is not. That Lucic deal will kill Edmonton. With his style of play he'll just get worse and slower with each passing year. The leaves do not have that issue.

No worries Tuna, your ailment is understandable. We once got excited over rookies like Bill Mukalt and Harold Druken. Come back and talk to us when wisdom gets a hold of you, it's just so unfortunate that wisdom can only come through experience and time, so in the mean time, I guess we put up with your adolescent mind.

I'm excited about the fact we have the two best rookies in the entire NHl right now. Both are elite.

Ahhh, you're final learning that nobody outside your weird head cares about your Brown's and Hymans and Zaitsev's. If you just stick to those two, we'd respect you some, if not...you'll continue being the running joke.

And uh, no offence. Give me Werenski or Laine a thousand times over Marner.

[Strangelove]

The leaves do not require more building.

The vast majority of their core is set. You can't say "Whatever", my comments were clearly in regards to the situation in 2014 which involved Luongo when the leaves had no core and a bottom 5 prospect pool.

If "the core is set"... then these guys aren't "prospects" anymore by definition

... and if we can't count any of the Leaves players currently with the big club

... then the Leaves once again have a "bottom 5 prospect pool"!

Leaves were among the top teams in terms of "prospect pools" when these guys were "prospects"

... but you're telling me they're not "prospects" any longer.

So, according to YOU, back to the basement with the Leaves as far as "prospect pools".

To spin it as a negative in 2017 for them making the playoffs is ridiculous.

"My point was that competing for the last playoff spot isn't a way to properly build." - YOU

Mr Shanahan says the rebuilding is ongoing, get with the Shanaplan!

No Goalie of the Future and no defencemen who can actually play defence.

2 of your top 5 scoring forwards are UFAs in 1.3 years.

And as discussed, your "rookie" top scoring defenceman could become a Group 6 UFA this summer.

Leaves prospects are as dim as you are my friend and Spanky + the Rascals have hit the Rookie Wall.

Rookies are considered "Prospects" until they complete 1 full NHL season.

YOU called these guys "core players" (can't be both "core players" and "prospects" - choose one).

Here's a definition for NHL prospect:

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/whatmakesaprospect/

"A player will be considered a prospect until he meets the following criteria:

If a prospect is a skater (forward, defenseman) and has played in 65 NHL games or more before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday; or, if a goaltender has played in 45 NHL games before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday, that player will be considered graduated to the NHL. Conversely, if a player completes the season of his 24th birthday without passing those milestones, then that player will no longer be considered a prospect by Hockey’s Future, regardless of the player’s status with his NHL club.

An NCAA player who signs his first contract at or above the age of 22 has three years to meet the above criteria (65/45), while those NCAA players that turn pro under the age of 22 will be subjected to the criteria above.

European players who sign their first NHL contract at or above the age of 22 have three seasons from the time they sign that contract to meet the above criteria. Those European players below the age of 22 that have signed a NHL contract will be subjected to the criteria in section one.

Section one is the meat of the criteria as it will govern the majority of players that vie for a NHL roster spot. Sections two and three are simply an acknowledgement that some prospects arrive on the scene a bit later than their peers, thus needing some time past their 24th birthday to develop into an NHL-caliber player."

..................

Some of the players you call "prospects" are not that... by HF's definition.

The rest of your "rookies" will very soon (2 weeks?) not be "prospects"... by HF's definition.

leaves are not bottom 5 in prospects at all. Even when the big 3 are gone from the list they'll be middle of the pack in rankings.

Wrong.

And LOL @ trying to spin losing Tyler Bozak as a negative. He is NOT one of the leaves top 5 forwards at all. Bozak's a bottom 6 forward on this leaves team. I guess you somehow think he's better than Kadri?

Strangelove: "2 of your top 5 scoring forwards are UFAs in 1.3 years."

Marner .87 points-per-game
Matthews .81
JVR .80
Kadri .74
Bozak .71

Is English your second language?

[BigTuna]

There he goes with Connor Brown again, LOL

You laughed and said Connor Brown was nothing. I showed you stats showing how he's been better than your aging, 6 million per walking concussion, Loui Eriksson.

Now you turn around and talk about supporting depth being important. That was my entire point! Getting cheap, good young players in your bottom 6 is an excellent way to be able to give your stars their money and keep them. I have previously made that point.

The leaves will be able to keep Marner, Matthews, Nylander because they aren't paying a bottom 6 guy 6 million per. They were, but they found a sucker in Columbus to bail them out. Same with Ottawa. Thank you to the Sens for eliminating Dion's 7 million per cap hit.

The way to win is the Chicago way: identity 4-5 important core pieces and pay them their huge contracts. Everyone else is disposable. Even a 22 year-old Saad was deemed expendable as he wasn't going to get much better than he was and wanted 6 million per.

You seem to think the issue is the core getting paid. It is not. That Lucic deal will kill Edmonton. With his style of play he'll just get worse and slower with each passing year. The leaves do not have that issue.

No worries Tuna, your ailment is understandable. We once got excited over rookies like Bill Mukalt and Harold Druken. Come back and talk to us when wisdom gets a hold of you, it's just so unfortunate that wisdom can only come through experience and time, so in the mean time, I guess we put up with your adolescent mind.

I'm excited about the fact we have the two best rookies in the entire NHl right now. Both are elite.

Ahhh, you're final learning that nobody outside your weird head cares about your Brown's and Hymans and Zaitsev's. If you just stick to those two, we'd respect you some, if not...you'll continue being the running joke.

And duh, no offence. Give me Werenski or Laine a thousand times over Marner.

You do. You said good depth will help them. This is what depth is all about in a cap world. You're the one going on about it.

[BigTuna]

The leaves do not require more building.

The vast majority of their core is set. You can't say "Whatever", my comments were clearly in regards to the situation in 2014 which involved Luongo when the leaves had no core and a bottom 5 prospect pool.

If "the core is set"... then these guys aren't "prospects" anymore by definition

... and if we can't count any of the Leaves players currently with the big club

... then the Leaves once again have a "bottom 5 prospect pool"!

Leaves were among the top teams in terms of "prospect pools" when these guys were "prospects"

... but you're telling me they're not "prospects" any longer.

So, according to YOU, back to the basement with the Leaves as far as "prospect pools".

To spin it as a negative in 2017 for them making the playoffs is ridiculous.

"My point was that competing for the last playoff spot isn't a way to properly build." - YOU

Mr Shanahan says the rebuilding is ongoing, get with the Shanaplan!

No Goalie of the Future and no defencemen who can actually play defence.

2 of your top 5 scoring forwards are UFAs in 1.3 years.

And as discussed, your "rookie" top scoring defenceman could become a Group 6 UFA this summer.

Leaves prospects are as dim as you are my friend and Spanky + the Rascals have hit the Rookie Wall.

Rookies are considered "Prospects" until they complete 1 full NHL season.

YOU called these guys "core players" (can't be both "core players" and "prospects" - choose one).

Here's a definition for NHL prospect:

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/whatmakesaprospect/

"A player will be considered a prospect until he meets the following criteria:

If a prospect is a skater (forward, defenseman) and has played in 65 NHL games or more before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday; or, if a goaltender has played in 45 NHL games before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday, that player will be considered graduated to the NHL. Conversely, if a player completes the season of his 24th birthday without passing those milestones, then that player will no longer be considered a prospect by Hockey’s Future, regardless of the player’s status with his NHL club.

An NCAA player who signs his first contract at or above the age of 22 has three years to meet the above criteria (65/45), while those NCAA players that turn pro under the age of 22 will be subjected to the criteria above.

European players who sign their first NHL contract at or above the age of 22 have three seasons from the time they sign that contract to meet the above criteria. Those European players below the age of 22 that have signed a NHL contract will be subjected to the criteria in section one.

Section one is the meat of the criteria as it will govern the majority of players that vie for a NHL roster spot. Sections two and three are simply an acknowledgement that some prospects arrive on the scene a bit later than their peers, thus needing some time past their 24th birthday to develop into an NHL-caliber player."

..................

Some of the players you call "prospects" are not that... by HF's definition.

The rest of your "rookies" will very soon (2 weeks?) not be "prospects"... by HF's definition.

leaves are not bottom 5 in prospects at all. Even when the big 3 are gone from the list they'll be middle of the pack in rankings.

Wrong.

And LOL @ trying to spin losing Tyler Bozak as a negative. He is NOT one of the leaves top 5 forwards at all. Bozak's a bottom 6 forward on this leaves team. I guess you somehow think he's better than Kadri?

Strangelove: "2 of your top 5 scoring forwards are UFAs in 1.3 years."

Marner .87 points-per-game
Matthews .81
JVR .80
Kadri .74
Bozak .71

Is English your second language?

First of all, no rankings for prospects have come out yet that are current, so you cannot say leaves will be bottom 5. In fact if you knew any facts you would know many of the leaves prospects like Neilson, Dermot, Brooks, etc will be prospects with much higher rankings the next time a current one comes out.

And BTW, Nylander is currently tied with Bozak for points. My point was it's ridiculous to spin losing Tyler Bozak as some horrible negative for the leaves. Would you guys even consider him good? You've knocked far superior players on the leaves in recent weeks.

All of a sudden when it's convenient, Tyler Bozak is great. LOL.

[Cousin Strawberry]

So what young teams are better positioned than the leaves right now?

Seeing how the sabres just handed you guys your lunch...

Yeah and we beat them worse last time. You really think they're better? The media in Buffalo does not agree:

http://buffalonews.com/2017/01/17/mike- ... s-rebuild/

Matthews may be better than Eichel(although not by much) but Ristolainen is far better than anything in maple leaf blue. You guys both have flaky big goalies who suck when it counts though
That leaves (lol) comparing the rest. I'd take marner over reinhart but Kane over jvr. The sabres do have some decent scrubs like the MLs...I'd say you guys are pretty close to each other honestly

[BigTuna]

So what young teams are better positioned than the leaves right now?

Seeing how the sabres just handed you guys your lunch...

Yeah and we beat them worse last time. You really think they're better? The media in Buffalo does not agree:

http://buffalonews.com/2017/01/17/mike- ... s-rebuild/

Matthews may be better than Eichel(although not by much) but Ristolainen is far better than anything in maple leaf blue. You guys both have flaky big goalies who suck when it counts though
That leaves (lol) comparing the rest. I'd take marner over reinhart but Kane over jvr. The sabres do have some decent scrubs like the MLs...I'd say you guys are pretty close to each other honestly

Risto is actually really bad defensively. He has a lot more points than Rielly only because he gets a ton of PP time which Rielly does not because Rielly plays far tougher minutes and more PK time.
Babcock destroys Bylsma as a coach. Toronto has a far better management team. The leaves clearly have better offebsive depth and have passed them in terms of prospects.
For all this belief Rielly is just no good he's actually playing the top 5 toughest minutes of any D-Man in the NHl. Risto would crumble in his role.

[Cousin Strawberry]

Big tough Dmen who punish AND rack the points are worth far more than small dmen who will get completely shut down in the playoffs.
They both are the same age...ones an emerging franchise defenseman, ones a young 2-3 dman.
Its not that reilly is so bad its just hes not that good...its ok bro. Not many teams have guys like RR

[BigTuna]

Big tough Dmen who punish AND rack the points are worth far more than small dmen who will get completely shut down in the playoffs.
They both are the same age...ones an emerging franchise defenseman, ones a young 2-3 dman.
Its not that reilly is so bad its just hes not that good...its ok bro. Not many teams have guys like RR

Risto is big and tough? He's bad defensively and plays an easier role than Rielly.

LOL @ Risto being some playoff Monster.

Rielly would easily have many more points if he played the PP>

[2Fingers]

This isnt fun anymore.

[rats19]

This isnt fun anymore.

It'll be ok reef

[Mickey107]

This isnt fun anymore.

It'll be ok reef

Ya, when they are sitting watching in April, just like us.

[Topper]

This isnt fun anymore.

Relax, get a bottle of saki and go ice fishing.