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[Strangelove]

Are you married Per? If not would you consider a long distance relationship with an East End boy who visited Oakalla and the old B.C. Pen too many times? I have chilled a lot but that may be due to the weed and benzos but let us not get caught up in details. I currently live in NY and am both Canadian and a British citizen so we will have to do this thing before Brexit is implemented.

Time to change your handle to match your tatt... "Prison Bitch".

[Topper]

Are you married Per? If not would you consider a long distance relationship with an East End boy who visited Oakalla and the old B.C. Pen too many times? I have chilled a lot but that may be due to the weed and benzos but let us not get caught up in details. I currently live in NY and am both Canadian and a British citizen so we will have to do this thing before Brexit is implemented.

Time to change your handle to match your tranp stamp... "Prison Bitch".

[Per]

Careful Dingleberries, it's not politically correct to infer homosexuality is synonymous with leftism!

Actually, there is some evidence pointing in that direction...

http://bilerico.lgbtqnation.com/2012/12 ... people.php

[damonberryman]

Are you married Per? If not would you consider a long distance relationship with an East End boy who visited Oakalla and the old B.C. Pen too many times? I have chilled a lot but that may be due to the weed and benzos but let us not get caught up in details. I currently live in NY and am both Canadian and a British citizen so we will have to do this thing before Brexit is implemented.

Time to change your handle to match your tranp stamp... "Prison Bitch".

My 'handle' is me. It is my name in the real world. I am not one to hide behind something made up.

[griz]

Anyway, I was mainly protesting Griz's suggestion that North Korea would be the result of globalization.
It's quite the opposite. It's because of their closed borders and attempts to be self sufficient that it is such a mess.

Per, there is more to Globalization than just economics.

If you think big government is a bad idea, what happens when there is only one big government? What happens if it should become an all encompassing form of Collectivism? I prefer the decentralization of power. I prefer individualism. North Korea is an example of how bad things can become. Why roll the dice that the one world government won't take on a similar form?

A world government based on the concepts of Liberty and individualism, however idealistic and improbable that may be, would be a good thing. But a world government based on totalitarian collectivism would be a very, very bad thing.

I like that there are many countries, cultures and races. Mixing them all together seems like a way to make it easier for them to control us. The mass migration of non-integrating muslims wreaking havoc in Sweden (and other countries) is a footprint of the globalist agenda.

Sure, due to its size and variation, North America would never get quite as bad as North Korea.
A bad harvest in Iowa might be offset by bumper crops in Nebraska, et cetera.

I don't think self sufficiency is the problem in North Korea. Do you?

But China is pretty big too, and Mao managed to wreck it up pretty bad.
Same with the Soviet Union and Stalin.

Again, I don't think self sufficiency was the problem in these Communist examples.

No, not really. I prefer regime change through ballots, not bullets.
But why do you ask?

Do you think that violent street protests in a neighbouring country means it's OK to invade and annect parts of it?

Maybe in the dark ages, but not today.
International law does not allow it

http://www.infowars.com/putin-prepares- ... es-crimea/

“I think it’s obvious that Kiev’s current authorities are not seeking for ways to solve problems through negotiations but have turned to terrorism,” Putin added, warning Ukraine was “playing a dangerous game.”

More than 95% of Crimeans voted to join Russia.

The real world is more complicated, but most countries have an absolute advantage at something, compared to their neighbours, and all countries have comparative advantages.

Since all countries have comparative advantages at something, all countries benefit from free trade.

Thanks for the Adam Smith. But those examples are fundamental and I believe in Canada that it's possible to produce everything we need right here.

There is no freaking reason the US should emit four times as much carbon dioxide than we do, except that the US has stuck its head in the sand and ignored the threat of global warming

Per, there is no scientific proof for global warming. In fact, they changed it to "climate change" because "global warming" wasn't working anymore. It's a hoax.

Right… as opposed to which wonderful form of wizardry that would allow them to easily “foresee the worldwide implications of their actions”? Sheesh! :-D

If we produced our own stuff we wouldn't need to worry about worldwide implications.

Globalization transfers consumption of limited oil supply from developed countries to developing countries.

Globalization transfers jobs from developed countries to less developed countries.

Globalization transfers investment spending from developed countries to less developed countries.

These are good things! This is what reduces poverty in the third world, increases life expectancy, lowers child mortality and allows you to live like a king. What do you think those clothes you wear would cost if they had been produced in Europe or North America? And to boot, you put food on the table for a Bangladeshi family and enabled their kids to go to school. Or maybe you only wear Armani?

Not good for the developed countries. What will the less developed countries do down the road when they rise to developed status and there are no more undeveloped countries to do their dirty work? That's one reason why I believe we all need to be more self sufficient.

Globalization encourages dependence on other countries for essential goods and services.
Globalization ties countries together, so that if one country collapses, the collapse is likely to ripple through the system, pulling many other countries with it.

Another benefit! This helps prevent wars, like in the olden days when France and Germany would constantly attack each other. Today their economies are so intertwined, they have no option but to stay at peace.

If a country cannot manage itself it has no business ruining it for others IMO.

And why would a country that is doing well go to war exactly?

[griz]

Sorry, double post.

[Mickey107]

Anyway, I was mainly protesting Griz's suggestion that North Korea would be the result of globalization.
It's quite the opposite. It's because of their closed borders and attempts to be self sufficient that it is such a mess.

Per, there is more to Globalization than just economics.

If you think big government is a bad idea, what happens when there is only one big government? What happens if it should become an all encompassing form of Collectivism? I prefer the decentralization of power. I prefer individualism. North Korea is an example of how bad things can become. Why roll the dice that the one world government won't take on a similar form?

A world government based on the concepts of Liberty and individualism, however idealistic and improbable that may be, would be a good thing. But a world government based on totalitarian collectivism would be a very, very bad thing.

I like that there are many countries, cultures and races. Mixing them all together seems like a way to make it easier for them to control us. The mass migration of non-integrating muslims wreaking havoc in Sweden (and other countries) is a footprint of the globalist agenda.

Sure, due to its size and variation, North America would never get quite as bad as North Korea.
A bad harvest in Iowa might be offset by bumper crops in Nebraska, et cetera.

I don't think self sufficiency is the problem in North Korea. Do you?

But China is pretty big too, and Mao managed to wreck it up pretty bad.
Same with the Soviet Union and Stalin.

Again, I don't think self sufficiency was the problem in these Communist examples.

No, not really. I prefer regime change through ballots, not bullets.
But why do you ask?

Do you think that violent street protests in a neighbouring country means it's OK to invade and annect parts of it?

Maybe in the dark ages, but not today.
International law does not allow it

http://www.infowars.com/putin-prepares- ... es-crimea/

“I think it’s obvious that Kiev’s current authorities are not seeking for ways to solve problems through negotiations but have turned to terrorism,” Putin added, warning Ukraine was “playing a dangerous game.”

More than 95% of Crimeans voted to join Russia.

The real world is more complicated, but most countries have an absolute advantage at something, compared to their neighbours, and all countries have comparative advantages.

Since all countries have comparative advantages at something, all countries benefit from free trade.

Thanks for the Adam Smith. But those examples are fundamental and I believe in Canada that it's possible to produce everything we need right here.

There is no freaking reason the US should emit four times as much carbon dioxide than we do, except that the US has stuck its head in the sand and ignored the threat of global warming

Per, there is no scientific proof for global warming. In fact, they changed it to "climate change" because "global warming" wasn't working anymore. It's a hoax.

Right… as opposed to which wonderful form of wizardry that would allow them to easily “foresee the worldwide implications of their actions”? Sheesh! :-D

If we produced our own stuff we wouldn't need to worry about worldwide implications.

Globalization transfers consumption of limited oil supply from developed countries to developing countries.

Globalization transfers jobs from developed countries to less developed countries.

Globalization transfers investment spending from developed countries to less developed countries.

These are good things! This is what reduces poverty in the third world, increases life expectancy, lowers child mortality and allows you to live like a king. What do you think those clothes you wear would cost if they had been produced in Europe or North America? And to boot, you put food on the table for a Bangladeshi family and enabled their kids to go to school. Or maybe you only wear Armani?

Not good for the developed countries. What will the less developed countries do down the road when they rise to developed status and there are no more undeveloped countries to do their dirty work? That's one reason why I believe we all need to be more self sufficient.

Globalization encourages dependence on other countries for essential goods and services.
Globalization ties countries together, so that if one country collapses, the collapse is likely to ripple through the system, pulling many other countries with it.

Another benefit! This helps prevent wars, like in the olden days when France and Germany would constantly attack each other. Today their economies are so intertwined, they have no option but to stay at peace.

If a country cannot manage itself it has no business ruining it for others IMO.

And why would a country that is doing well go to war exactly?

Really good post, griz.

Just before P. Trudeau was elected in the late 60s, Canada was in a position to be almost totally self sufficient.
One of the first things he did was float our dollar and that changed things.
In regards to Climate change, there is no doubt it is a combination of human emissions and a natural cycle, a cycle this planet goes through on a regular basis.
Because of my work as a private photographer for both the Canadian Military and the U.S. Military in the past, I have been privy to seeing many photos, not released to the general public, taken from the space shuttle.
By a very, very wide margin, the worst pollutants are coming from Asia and South America. It is so bad, you can see the material rising like volcanoes and forming bands around the planet. The bands from Asia are directly affecting the "jet stream" that brings North America her weather.
You will NEVER see images like these from the ISS because of the politics involved.
I don't think it is fair to show a graph of carbon emissions on a per capita basis and I question the validity of it.
Here in Canada and yes, the U.S. too, have many. many, programs in place to reduce our emissions.
China? The way they spew out pollution without any consideration is a crime against humanity, same with the burning of the forests in S. America. Oh forgot to say, IMO, oh well.
Some times I wonder why we even try to do our part.
Take it to the UN? LOL LOL LOL
If we were more self sufficient, we could stop selling them coal, eh..........

[Per]

I don't think self sufficiency is the problem in North Korea. Do you?

North Korea has many problems. Their attempt at self sufficiency is the reason they starve.
The main problem is the lack of democracy though.

http://www.infowars.com/putin-prepares- ... es-crimea/

“I think it’s obvious that Kiev’s current authorities are not seeking for ways to solve problems through negotiations but have turned to terrorism,” Putin added, warning Ukraine was “playing a dangerous game.”

Yeah... Doing what Putin says Ukraine is doing would be suicidal and make no sense at all.

Makes much more sense as a desinformation campaign by the Russkies before they invade.

Which is why I linked to Hitler announcing that Poland had attacked Germany.
Same strategy. Say the other guy started it, then take them out.

More than 95% of Crimeans voted to join Russia.

Yeah, right...
According to the Russians.

If you believe that, I have a bridge you might be interested in buying.

An illegal referendum organised by the occupying forces during an illegal occupation.
No international monitors and not recognised by anyone but the Russians, who used it as an excuse to steal Crimea from Ukraine in clear violation of international law.

Crimea is still part of Ukraine, but it is under occupation by Russia.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderic ... b514810ff7

Per, there is no scientific proof for global warming. In fact, they changed it to "climate change" because "global warming" wasn't working anymore. It's a hoax.

Why do I even bother?

The evidence of global warming is overwhelming.
Of the ten warmest years on record, eight have happened within the last decade.
99% of scientists in relevant fields are convinced that global warming is happening and that it Modt likely caused by humans.

The oil and coal industry is spending a fortune trying to convince people it's a hoax, just like the tobacco industry has supported research trying to prove that smoking isn't causing cancer. But it is happening. Look at the glaciers, the polar ice caps, etc.

It's not the end of the world, but it might be the end of Florida.

[griz]

According to the Russians.

Ron Paul : "I'm not pro-Putin, pro-Russia ... but pro-Facts."

USA State Dept planned Ukraine coup alongside NATO and EU.

I'm not sure how you can be pro-ballot box and accept the coup at the same time.

Why do I even bother?

I am interested in learning the truth. Along the way I seem to unintentionally offend people. That is not my goal. I appreciate your effort to help me understand your points and I might even learn something along the way.

North Korea has many problems. Their attempt at self sufficiency is the reason they starve.
The main problem is the lack of democracy though.

I think they are starving because there is a lack of democracy. How can self sufficiency be a bad thing?

Which is why I linked to Hitler announcing that Poland had attacked Germany.
Same strategy. Say the other guy started it, then take them out.

Are you suggesting that the Poles were NOT persecuting Germans who lived in Poland? There's a really long (13+ hours) documentary that everyone should see about Hitler. Search for "The Greatest Story Never Told" on youtube.

The evidence of global warming is overwhelming.
Of the ten warmest years on record, eight have happened within the last decade.
99% of scientists in relevant fields are convinced that global warming is happening and that it Modt likely caused by humans.

The oil and coal industry is spending a fortune trying to convince people it's a hoax, just like the tobacco industry has supported research trying to prove that smoking isn't causing cancer. But it is happening. Look at the glaciers, the polar ice caps, etc.

Destroying the Icon of Global Warming :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7o7bMAO0sE

Really good post, griz.

Thanks Micky. While global warming/climate change is a BS political tool ... I do understand that pollution is rampant. A friend of mine was in Shanghai recently and could barely breath the yellow air.

[Topper]

Per, there is no scientific proof for global warming. In fact, they changed it to "climate change" because "global warming" wasn't working anymore. It's a hoax.

Why do I even bother?

The evidence of global warming is overwhelming.
Of the ten warmest years on record, eight have happened within the last decade.
99% of scientists in relevant fields are convinced that global warming is happening and that it Modt likely caused by humans.

The oil and coal industry is spending a fortune trying to convince people it's a hoax, just like the tobacco industry has supported research trying to prove that smoking isn't causing cancer. But it is happening. Look at the glaciers, the polar ice caps, etc.

It's not the end of the world, but it might be the end of Florida.

This, like all other forces of nature need to be measured on the geological time scale. Human recording does not do that. Ice cores do not do that. Sedimentary cores only give scattered snapshots.

Through all of this, in the time of homo sapiens there have been several warming and cooling cycles. Just the other day research was released that doubt a land migration south for Clovis people through a newly opened corridor in the ice saying that it would have been a few thousand years before that opening could support an ecosystem for that migration and the new proposal is a migration northward, primarily by sea along the coast.

In any event, climate change is an ongoing dynamic system. Life on Earth has survived the change from a reducing environment to an oxidizing one as well as several mass extinctions that have wiped out nearly 90% of species. Life will keep doing so.

Those who are fighting to preserve our stasis in that dynamic are fighting a loosing battle.

[damonberryman]

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/ ... 3136323872

This is going to be the future. A leisure class. i will be dead by the time it fully comes into effect and Doc will be servicing men in a park located in the East End. Topper will come down from a high mountain point and wisely comment on the world's ills while maintaining his macho man image (see handle and many contents).

Thank God for nature and its way of killing us all.

Oh! And Griz. Please tell me you are under 30 and planning on going back to school. You told Per you were glad to learn. Here is a hint. Open your eyes. You state that people in Shanghai can barely breathe. Take it to the next level. Where do you think all that pollution goes? Magically disappears? Global warming means exactly that. As Per said, 8 of the last ten years have been the hottest on record. Does that not fit into global warming? The loss of both ice caps? The increased temp of oceans and the migration of sea life to places it has never been seen? If you are under 30 there is an excuse for your thoughts. You work with little experience or info in most cases. i certainly did at that age.

This post is going to draw the usual sexual innuendo from childish men. Have at it. Darwin was right. It is survival of the fittest and the only thing protecting a lot of fools are laws, not ability or any other positive trait. Look at our political class here in the States. Wow. What is going on right now has set an new bar for low behaviour.

[Topper]

...and the computer system will be built by Delta Airlines......

[griz]

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/ ... 3136323872

This is going to be the future. A leisure class. i will be dead by the time it fully comes into effect and Doc will be servicing men in a park located in the East End. Topper will come down from a high mountain point and wisely comment on the world's ills while maintaining his macho man image (see handle and many contents).

Thank God for nature and its way of killing us all.

Oh! And Griz. Please tell me you are under 30 and planning on going back to school. You told Per you were glad to learn. Here is a hint. Open your eyes. You state that people in Shanghai can barely breathe. Take it to the next level. Where do you think all that pollution goes? Magically disappears? Global warming means exactly that. As Per said, 8 of the last ten years have been the hottest on record. Does that not fit into global warming? The loss of both ice caps? The increased temp of oceans and the migration of sea life to places it has never been seen? If you are under 30 there is an excuse for your thoughts. You work with little experience or info in most cases. i certainly did at that age.

This post is going to draw the usual sexual innuendo from childish men. Have at it. Darwin was right. It is survival of the fittest and the only thing protecting a lot of fools are laws, not ability or any other positive trait. Look at our political class here in the States. Wow. What is going on right now has set an new bar for low behaviour.

Global warming and climate change is a hoax. I recommend you look into it further. Pollution however is real but that is a separate topic. Damonberryman, we ALL work with little experience or info compared to what there is to experience and know. Rather than being condescending, could you please demonstrate to me how I am mis/dis-informed?

[ukcanuck]

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/ ... 3136323872

This is going to be the future. A leisure class. i will be dead by the time it fully comes into effect and Doc will be servicing men in a park located in the East End. Topper will come down from a high mountain point and wisely comment on the world's ills while maintaining his macho man image (see handle and many contents).

Thank God for nature and its way of killing us all.

Oh! And Griz. Please tell me you are under 30 and planning on going back to school. You told Per you were glad to learn. Here is a hint. Open your eyes. You state that people in Shanghai can barely breathe. Take it to the next level. Where do you think all that pollution goes? Magically disappears? Global warming means exactly that. As Per said, 8 of the last ten years have been the hottest on record. Does that not fit into global warming? The loss of both ice caps? The increased temp of oceans and the migration of sea life to places it has never been seen? If you are under 30 there is an excuse for your thoughts. You work with little experience or info in most cases. i certainly did at that age.

This post is going to draw the usual sexual innuendo from childish men. Have at it. Darwin was right. It is survival of the fittest and the only thing protecting a lot of fools are laws, not ability or any other positive trait. Look at our political class here in the States. Wow. What is going on right now has set an new bar for low behaviour.

Global warming and climate change is a hoax. I recommend you look into it further. Pollution however is real but that is a separate topic. Damonberryman, we ALL work with little experience or info compared to what there is to experience and know. Rather than being condescending, could you please demonstrate to me how I am mis/dis-informed?

By saying climate change/global warming is a hoax shows that you are misinformed. or rather, perhaps you misinterpret information?

There may be a hoax perpetrated on what to do about climate change but its undeniable that the earth is getting warmer and it doesn't take a genius to figure out burning fossil fuels at the rate 7.5 billion people driving 1 billion cars every day is going to have an effect on the environment.
Yes, as Topper points out, on a geological time scale it may even be insignificant for life on the planet but it is significant for the continuation of the human species with our present life style.

The earth will abide but they way its going life is going to suck for our descendants

[damonberryman]

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/ ... 3136323872

This is going to be the future. A leisure class. i will be dead by the time it fully comes into effect and Doc will be servicing men in a park located in the East End. Topper will come down from a high mountain point and wisely comment on the world's ills while maintaining his macho man image (see handle and many contents).

Thank God for nature and its way of killing us all.

Oh! And Griz. Please tell me you are under 30 and planning on going back to school. You told Per you were glad to learn. Here is a hint. Open your eyes. You state that people in Shanghai can barely breathe. Take it to the next level. Where do you think all that pollution goes? Magically disappears? Global warming means exactly that. As Per said, 8 of the last ten years have been the hottest on record. Does that not fit into global warming? The loss of both ice caps? The increased temp of oceans and the migration of sea life to places it has never been seen? If you are under 30 there is an excuse for your thoughts. You work with little experience or info in most cases. i certainly did at that age.

This post is going to draw the usual sexual innuendo from childish men. Have at it. Darwin was right. It is survival of the fittest and the only thing protecting a lot of fools are laws, not ability or any other positive trait. Look at our political class here in the States. Wow. What is going on right now has set an new bar for low behaviour.

Global warming and climate change is a hoax. I recommend you look into it further. Pollution however is real but that is a separate topic. Damonberryman, we ALL work with little experience or info compared to what there is to experience and know. Rather than being condescending, could you please demonstrate to me how I am mis/dis-informed?

Consider where the additional chemicals we put into the ecosystem actually go. On one hand you acknowledge severe pollution but then you do not take the next obvious step. It does not disappear or just silently slip into nothing. It becomes a part of the system, therefore changing the system in some way even if small. Now add up all these additions to our world, many of which are unhealthy even by your example, and we end up with an ongoing pouring of man made pollution into the earth, oceans, lakes and air. Is it reasonable to insist this will have no effect upon climate?

Griz, these topics are too serious to blow off with referring to them as some kind of conspiracy or scam. In the 60's a book called Silent Spring was written by Rachel Carson. It was the birth of the environmental movement. Read it please. Also, remember everything is connected on our lovely planet. What happens in China will have some effect elsewhere. The oceans and lakes are dying of acidification. "Acid rain'? WTF?

Naysayers are everywhere. Someone on this thread, Per I think, used the example of the tobacco industry and its efforts to deny the U.S. Surgeon General's report. They had money at stake. Lots of it. Now it is generally accepted that smoking cigs is bad. I do not know if you have children but either way ask yourself if you want them to smoke.

The uncovering of hidden interests who are protecting money takes time and eventually even the dumb ass Republicans will come around if only to save their seats. It should not take a group of dead drowned Polar Bears washing up to convince us the ice is melting.

As to the idea all these climate shifts have happened before...sure they really have, but the time they occurred in was measured in centuries and millennia and not in years. Global warming is true by the definition of global temperatures rising. They have. Fact. The ocean is losing its ability to sustain coral and other important parts of its ecosystem. Fact. The ozone hole is getting bigger. Fact. Many lakes and rivers are polluted beyond salvage due to the toxic sludge at the bottom.

Here in NY where I live GE spent billions dredging the Hudson after being court ordered. They said it was not that bad but the court disagreed. Eventually they had to stop dredging due to the release of PCBs. Fish out of the lower Hudson are inedible though some eat them. Would you feed it to your kid?

This goes on and on. You often quote naysayers in your posts. Look into why they say nay and in many cases you will find money, just like big tobacco.

My degrees are not primarily science based though my undergraduate was mixed with arts and science. I spent a number of years in the geophysical exploration business and have always tried to stay current on what is up. I may not be the world's foremost expert on the environment but I have learned to pay attention to those who are. The vast majority of them say climate change is a real threat so I take their word because first, they know what they are talking about and second, they are not protecting great wealth as are groups like the fossil fuel industry who sponsor climate deniers.

In any case, the effects are going to be so obvious that no one will be left to deny except those who think the earth is flat and the moon landing staged. You can find many arguments for these ideas that can be cut and pasted into this thread but that does make them right. All you have to do to disprove the flat theory is watch a ship appear over the horizon as it climbs the curve.