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theman wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2026 7:14 am

Madcombinepilot wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2026 7:10 am

Nuckertuzzi wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2026 9:22 pm I mentioned in another post today full NMC's are moveable, but Filip's could be tricky. Not sure why he insists on sticking around for this. Guessing by mid way next season he will have had enough.

Why so horny to trade him? We need a few veterans who don’t suck, or the losing culture will set in and this will be a 10 year rebuild instead of a 3

Agree, Hronek is the one vet I would be loath to trade. He seems to want to stay and I would trade him only if a huge haul is coming back to Vancouver.

Exactly. When you have a quality player who wants to play here, what message does it send when you ship him (against his will) to other veteran UFAs who sign here? it will add to the toxic environment and make vancouver even more undesireable to sign in.

We all agree we need some veteran presence. Keeping quality veterans is even better.

I rarely post on draft prospects because I rarely see them play and what do I know? But I have this feeling that Chase Reid has the potential to be a top 10 D man in this league and that you just can’t pass that up. Malhotra might turn into something, but a top 10 center? Doesn’t matter if Buium and Willander are the best two young players in the system. Reid’s ceiling blows them out of the water. Buium’s defensive game is a mess at the moment (both because of physical limitations and technique), and we are hoping that he turns into an offensive defenseman who’s not a liability in his own zone. That’s not a 25 minutes a night guy. Willander peaks as a 2-3 (support for first pairing; lead second pairing). There’s room for all three. And you can always trade for positional balance if you have the good fortune of a glut. Defensemen are always in demand.

(I am assuming here 1, 2 are McKenna and Stenberg, which might not be the case).

Ya I suspect SJS will select a Dman. I mean they could still use young players up front but their one big need is s a stud on the backend.

Of course Toronto could use that too but they have much more need at all positions than does SJS.

I think one of McKenna or Stenberg may fall to us, the question is do we feel Malhotra or another of the Dmen are BPA.

Toronto is taking McKenna because that’s the move for a corporate owned club. Most short term excitement in the fan base, most jerseys sold, best chance to have immediate impact. Plus, it’s not a bad hockey decision at all.

The funny thing is, McKenna is advertised as a playmaking winger; if McKenna had Mitch Marner offensive production, it would be a success. And having Mitch Marner did what for them? Playoffs, but no playoff success. Replace Marner with a defensively worse Marner will yield?????

I don’t get the talk that Vancouver is particularly weak at center from an organizational depth. They *are* weak there, and center is important, but its winger depth forecast 4 years out is also quite short. Two wingers who are Fringy to be part of a core — Sushi (who may crash altogether) and Ohgren (who I think won’t crash but has long odds at being more than a nice complementary middle 6-w). Today’s other nhl wingers arent going to be better players in 4 years, and while some might be kept around, they will be replaceable complementary parts.

Cootes is the team’s best forward prospect; Rossi and EP40 probably won’t be around in 4 years, but if kept around have a good chance of being 2C caliber for players in 4 years. (I suspect both will be moved in the next couple of years, but I can see a world where they invest longer term in Rossi if they think he’s a good fit, if he likes having a highlighted role and likes the organization, and if they think it’s not unreasonable to think the competition window is open in 4 years.)

Defense is the one position that the Canucks have a good stable of youth/prospects, but not good enough for me to think they should pass on a blue chipper because of what they have.

If McKenna or Stenberg fall and Reid is taken, I tend to think they are better options than Malhotra or the other D, but I really don’t hold that view with high confidence. If the Canucks were to select Stenberg or McKenna in that scenario, I could only conclude my intuition they were the right picks was in fact wrong. Because the Canucks are generally wrong…..

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2026 10:51 am Ya I suspect SJS will select a Dman. I mean they could still use young players up front but their one big need is s a stud on the backend.

Of course Toronto could use that too but they have much more need at all positions than does SJS.

I think one of McKenna or Stenberg may fall to us, the question is do we feel Malhotra or another of the Dmen are BPA.

You are likely correct, however I will play devil’s advocate here…..

When you consider that Celebrini was 50+ points ahead of the next highest scorer on the Sharks’ roster, I could also see them wanting to add a guy like McKenna (or Stenberg) who could either distribute high octane offense across the top-6 or simply be a winger for Celebrini that gives them a pair of 1.0+ PPG forwards up front.

Mëds wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2026 12:48 pm You are likely correct, however I will play devil’s advocate here…..
When you consider that Celebrini was 50+ points ahead of the next highest scorer on the Sharks’ roster, I could also see them wanting to add a guy like McKenna (or Stenberg) who could either distribute high octane offense across the top-6 or simply be a winger for Celebrini that gives them a pair of 1.0+ PPG forwards up front.

Or maybe the Sharks have studied the oilers plans?

One of my neighbours used to be a scout for the Carolina Hurricanes. He seems to be pretty high on Rudolph

I don't want to trade FH. It can't be emphasized enough just how good this guy has become. I suppose he always was but kinda kept secret hidden under Hughes' brilliance. But now he's unleashed and everybody can see the complete talent. This guy is just that fucking good!

So why should we trade him?

Simple answer is I hope the rest of the League sees it now and would be willing to give up a King's ransom for him. Look around, good Dmen go for boatloads. You can get that for a player at 28. At 32/33 not so much. By the time we hope to be ready to compete he'll even be older than that and by then the plan is guys like Zeev, Willander, Voerhoeff/Reid/Carels/or who knows, Dupont(??), will carry the load.

Don't have to do it right away. Can see how the draft shakes out first and mid way into the season to get a better sense, as his value should carry for at least another year. His tutelage and locker room presence will be missed but that's where you hope good managerial work can bring in cheaper replacements. We're going to suck hard anyway in the next 5 years, you can't waste too many opportunities to cash in like this, especially when we have nothing else to sell of value.

Starting in 28-29 his trade protection changes to a 15 team no trade list. So half the league will be available to us to trade him to. That gives us the next 3 drafts, including this one, to stock up on D.

The good news is that we lost the draft lottery so we can always try again to draft 1OA.

His value is max right now and waiting will reduce what we can get for him. The reality is we aren't competing with anyone other than other lottery teams for the next 3 years so accumulating as many high picks and prospects as we can is what we need to do. Not watch our biggest trade chip devalue before our very eyes like driving a Dodge truck off the lot

If he gets us 2-3 top level picks and prospects then that's what we need more than his mentoring of the kiddies. Get another Luke Schenn for that shit

Precisely. You can easily get 2 firsts for him now and hopefully same by the time his limited NMC kicks in.

Crazy to pass on that to keep a 28 yo because he's so good for the young uns' he'll keep the shittiest team in the League from being any shittier. Make sense don't it.

I bet Luke is available after Buffalo are done with him this summer. Why waste Fil's peak value window having him teach them how to bang pucks off the glass?

Nuckertuzzi wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2026 9:15 pm Precisely. You can easily get 2 firsts for him now and hopefully same by the time his limited NMC kicks in.

Crazy to pass on that to keep a 28 yo because he's so good for the young uns' he'll keep the shittiest team in the League from being any shittier. Make sense don't it.

we couldnt get 2 firsts for Hughes, we wont get it for FH

Madcombinepilot wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2026 10:46 am

Nuckertuzzi wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2026 9:15 pm Precisely. You can easily get 2 firsts for him now and hopefully same by the time his limited NMC kicks in.

Crazy to pass on that to keep a 28 yo because he's so good for the young uns' he'll keep the shittiest team in the League from being any shittier. Make sense don't it.

we couldnt get 2 firsts for Hughes, we wont get it for FH

Hughes was an asset that an acquiring team only had certainty for 1.5 years, and he was not willing to commit to extending after a trade. Any team acquiring had to have the ability to be flexible enough cap-wise in 2027 to sign a $12M defenseman and also be a competitive roster. If they paid a pair of 1sts, don’t make it to the finals, and then Hughes leaves in free agency, well that’s gonna be a bitter pill.

Had the Canucks been smart, they would have traded him 18 months earlier when he let them know he wasn’t committing and wanted to go back Stateside. Acquiring teams would have had 3 chances, and the subject of a potential extension wouldn’t have been a consideration. He also would have been fresh off a Norris trophy win. The bidding would have started at a pair of 1sts and a prospect.

At the very least he should have been dealt when Miller was moved. They already knew he wasn’t coming back at that point too. He had no trade protection, trade him to the best offer and don’t give two shits about respecting his preferred destinations…..you want out? Ok, you’re out.

TFGs.