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Whether it was justified or not wasn't what I said, I only said was historically It's his MO.

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, Fenway Sports Group, believe in the “win now” mentality that Jim Rutherford employed for his entire tenure as Penguins general manager. For Rutherford, that meant seizing on the perceived value of the team’s first round pick while making the most of later round picks, which he admittedly did and admirably so. But the return on many of the trades involving Pittsburgh’s first round picks varied wildly and was mostly disappointing

The same is happening here. Let's hope it also includes a cup at least but it's pretty clear this is how he rolls...

Blob I get the feeling you're defending this new group because you think I'm critical of what they're up to... I'm not

I don't honestly know how they'll do the next few years. I think they can keep icing a competitive product for a while, unlike the Dude who thinks the team will suck for eternity within a couple years. Rutherford was also in Carolina for a while so he knows about rebuilds and retools as well.

Blob, I’m not disagreeing with the new crews work to date, it is classic Runtherford, and Allvin seems to be his prodigy to his concept. Ruth knows as well as anyone where his teams are in their cycle and isn’t afraid to go for broke…but there is always a down side to that if it doesn’t pan out. Also, he had the luxury of having two of the best players in the game in Crosby and Malkin, we don’t have that level talent here. To be clear, once Lekki and Willa graduate that’s it…for awhile, a long while…on legit prospects coming up through the system on affordable ELC’s. But hey, I gather those dark years on the farm will be our window in trying to win the cup. That window probably is dictated by Millers aging, as he is a very important part of this window. Anyhow, you’re right… can’t have your cake and eat it too, I suppose

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:50 am Blob, I’m not disagreeing with the new crews work to date, it is classic Runtherford, and Allvin seems to be his prodigy to his concept. Ruth knows as well as anyone where his teams are in their cycle and isn’t afraid to go for broke…but there is always a down side to that if it doesn’t pan out. Also, he had the luxury of having two of the best players in the game in Crosby and Malkin, we don’t have that level talent here. To be clear, once Lekki and Willa graduate that’s it…for awhile, a long while…on legit prospects coming up through the system on affordable ELC’s. But hey, I gather those dark years on the farm will be our window in trying to win the cup. That window probably is dictated by Millers aging, as he is a very important part of this window. Anyhow, you’re right… can’t have your cake and eat it too, I suppose

Not sure what you're concen is Chef?

Is it that they are trading draft picks or is it the quality of the returns?

Had a quick look at the last 4 Cup winners to see how loaded their rosters were with their own draft picks who played key roles and was surprised to see how few there were...

Florida had 2, a 1st overall and a 2nd overall...

Vegas had 0...
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Colorado had 4, a 1st overall, a 2nd overall, a 4th overall and a 10th overall...

Tampa broke the mold with a number of their own draft picks in their lineup and while it did have a 2nd overall, it was filled with picks taken outside of the first round who turned out to be gems...

I guess its not surprising when you consider that a minimum of 224 players enter the league each and every year that Cup winning rosters are constructed a number of different ways...

With that said, should anyone be upset at what managements approach to roster building is or fret over what might happen years down the road because of their approach?...

Take care...

Hey, I just hope this group is as ready as they feel they are, is all…cause they’ve pretty much traded away all their chips, that is unless they table Lekkerimaki or Willanded or the 2025 1st rd pick next trade deadline for rentals? The asset pipeline is thinning greatly….they must feel they are ready to take Manhattan to drain the lake

What are all these great chips they've traded away?

The prospect pipeline has never been deep. Ever.

The asset pipeline is thinning greatly.

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:15 pm Hey, I just hope this group is as ready as they feel they are, is all…cause they’ve pretty much traded away all their chips, that is unless they table Lekkerimaki or Willanded or the 2025 1st rd pick next trade deadline for rentals? The asset pipeline is thinning greatly….they must feel they are ready to take Manhattan to drain the lake

Is it ever both, or is it always an either or?

Isn't that what Brisbois said when justifying the trading away all of his draft picks for years to come on players like Tanner Jeannot?...

Gotta pick your poison, a team not considered a Cup contender with a deep prospect pool or a team considered a Cup contender with a thin prospect pool...

Take care...

dangler wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:35 pm Whose MO? Rutherfords, Canucks or Aquilinis?

Good question. Back when we had JB, there is this podcaster named Steve Dangle who covers the leaves. On his show, he said that JB was basically a puppet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-4cnB8wYgA

I found it rather interesting that this dood in TO just came out and bluntly said it. It seemed like everyone in the Vancouver media knew it, but nobody here would dare say it out loud. I think when Trev was around, JB worked with Trev and they had more autonomy. After Trev left, JB basically became a "yes" man, reported to ownership directly and did whatever they wanted.

Right now, I think this current mgmt group has more autonomy. I'm sure JR has regular meetings with ownership and has to seriously consider any feedback that ownership desires. PA runs the daily operations of the team under the direction of JR.

Chef is ready to roll…go for broke. Our window is now. I’m ok with moving any of Willander, Lekky and the 2025 1st to getterdun…Miller ain’t getting any younger.

Hes building around the correof Hughes Peterson Demko and Miller. I'm perfectly fine with all the moves he's made except for still an maybe but I do think he's the right guy at the right time for this team to make a push before they age out.

If we suck enough after it's all done to draft the next core then that's cool too...ya dig?

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 3:59 pm Chef is ready to roll…go for broke. Our window is now. I’m ok with moving any of Willander, Lekky and the 2025 1st to getterdun…Miller ain’t getting any younger.

Why are they trading their top young players? You whine about a thin pipeline, then you want to go all in. Which is it? The window can be 5 - 7 years. It doesn't have to be a year or two.

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:06 pm

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 3:59 pm Chef is ready to roll…go for broke. Our window is now. I’m ok with moving any of Willander, Lekky and the 2025 1st to getterdun…Miller ain’t getting any younger.

Why are they trading their top young players? You whine about a thin pipeline, then you want to go all in. Which is it? The window can be 5 - 7 years. It doesn't have to be a year or two.

He must mean if they move one of our 2 top prospects for a legit difference maker.

I'm not sure I do that with the young defenseman but I would consider 3-4 years of a legitimate top pairing righty for lekkerinaki if that would present itself. (Better than Rasmus Andersson)

How about Trouba with term? He's the type of piece I'd like to add to the top 4 and is being quietly shopped apparently...would Lekki get er run?

Cousin Strawberry wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:09 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:06 pm

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 3:59 pm Chef is ready to roll…go for broke. Our window is now. I’m ok with moving any of Willander, Lekky and the 2025 1st to getterdun…Miller ain’t getting any younger.

Why are they trading their top young players? You whine about a thin pipeline, then you want to go all in. Which is it? The window can be 5 - 7 years. It doesn't have to be a year or two.

He must mean if they move one of our 2 top prospects for a legit difference maker.

I'm not sure I do that with the young defenseman but I would consider 3-4 years of a legitimate top pairing righty for lekkerinaki if that would present itself. (Better than Rasmus Andersson)

How about Trouba with term? He's the type of piece I'd like to add to the top 4 and is being quietly shopped apparently...would Lekki get er run?

I’d probably keep Willander and bust a move on the 1st in 2025 and Lekki. A similar experiment like we saw with Lindholm. Lindy proved valuable in the playoffs. The time is now. Worth about the empty pipeline later. This is how Ruth rolls and Chef is ok with it.

The pipeline is no thinner now than it was when the boozer ran the show.

Jacob Trouba sucks.

Good, youngish core, two top end prospects. The Chef kicked Elmer's asscrack for 8 years, but now he wants to go all in.

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:06 pm

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 3:59 pm Chef is ready to roll…go for broke. Our window is now. I’m ok with moving any of Willander, Lekky and the 2025 1st to getterdun…Miller ain’t getting any younger.

Why are they trading their top young players? You whine about a thin pipeline, then you want to go all in. Which is it? The window can be 5 - 7 years. It doesn't have to be a year or two.

Agreed...

The risk with an organization which considers itself a Cup contender or at the other end of the spectrum wants to fast track its return to being a contender is that it rushes to judgement on players like Willander and Lekky and deals them away in trades that they later regret...

We saw some of that during the Benning days and it will be interesting how "patient" the organization stays with its top rated prospects today...

Take care...