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Per wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:09 am
The hypocrisy is astounding.
Time to drain the swamp?
Ummm, "the swamp" is reaping what it has sown.
Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham, now says that he is "dead set on confirming" Trump's pick, whoever it may be. He has explained his change of heart by pointing to Democrats' behavior during Justice Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation process when multiple women came forth with allegations of sexual misconduct during his high school and college years. Kavanaugh had previously been investigated by the FBI for past judicial appointments without incident.
Graham, whose committee will have to vote on any nomination before it goes to the full Senate, has also pointed to how it was Democrats who first changed Senate rules to eliminate the filibuster for federal circuit court confirmations.
"Democrats chose to set in motion rules changes to stack the court at the circuit level and they chose to try to destroy Brett Kavanaugh’s life to keep the Supreme Court seat open," Graham tweeted Sunday. "You reap what you sow."
"For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind." - Hosea 8:7
Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:10 am
Trump was in politics while Obama was in the Oval Office?
Yup.
In the spring of 2011, as the Republican primary got under way, Trump embraced the birther theory wholesale, wielding his trademark innuendos and falsehoods. Fox News then picked up the crusade, devoting hours of airtime to his insinuations.
“He doesn’t have a birth certificate. He may have one, but there is something on that birth certificate—maybe religion, maybe it says he’s a Muslim; I don’t know,” Trump told Fox News in late March of that year. “I have people that have been studying it and they cannot believe what they’re finding,” he told NBC in early April. “I may tie my tax returns into Obama’s birth certificate,” he suggested later that month. Trump rose sharply in the primary polls, but never formally ran, instead endorsing Romney,
Fox News, foreshadowing its essential symbiosis with the Trump campaign, and later the Trump presidency, framed the reality-show star’s crusade as a great victory. “It legitimizes his candidacy,” Dick Morris told Bill O’Reilly in April 2011. “It empowers Trump,” O’Reilly agreed. Here was a glimpse of the future, in which the reality-show star would make some outrageously false claim, and the whole of conservative media would rush to make that falsehood true through rote repetition.
Trump’s dalliance with birtherism did not harm his presidential prospects when the 2016 primary came around, because, unlike most conspiracy theories, birtherism was never meant to answer a factual query.
- - -
Birtherism was a statement of values, a way to express allegiance to a particular notion of American identity, one that became the central theme of the Trump campaign itself: To Make America Great Again, to turn back the clock to an era where white political and cultural hegemony was unthreatened by black people, by immigrants, by people of a different faith. By people like Barack Obama. The calls to disavow birtherism missed the point: Trump’s entire campaign was birtherism.
Trump won the Republican primary, and united the party, in part because his run was focused on the psychic wound of the first black presidency. He had, after all, humiliated and humbled Obama. None of the other Republican candidates could make such a claim. None could say, as Trump could, that they had put the first black president in his place. And so none could offer an answer to the anguish that produced birtherism. That very same anguish helped Trump win the presidency.
Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:10 am
Trump was in politics while Obama was in the Oval Office?
Yup.
In the spring of 2011, as the Republican primary got under way, Trump embraced the birther theory wholesale, wielding his trademark innuendos and falsehoods. Fox News then picked up the crusade, devoting hours of airtime to his insinuations.
“He doesn’t have a birth certificate. He may have one, but there is something on that birth certificate—maybe religion, maybe it says he’s a Muslim; I don’t know,” Trump told Fox News in late March of that year. “I have people that have been studying it and they cannot believe what they’re finding,” he told NBC in early April. “I may tie my tax returns into Obama’s birth certificate,” he suggested later that month. Trump rose sharply in the primary polls, but never formally ran, instead endorsing Romney,
Fox News, foreshadowing its essential symbiosis with the Trump campaign, and later the Trump presidency, framed the reality-show star’s crusade as a great victory. “It legitimizes his candidacy,” Dick Morris told Bill O’Reilly in April 2011. “It empowers Trump,” O’Reilly agreed. Here was a glimpse of the future, in which the reality-show star would make some outrageously false claim, and the whole of conservative media would rush to make that falsehood true through rote repetition.
Trump’s dalliance with birtherism did not harm his presidential prospects when the 2016 primary came around, because, unlike most conspiracy theories, birtherism was never meant to answer a factual query.
- - -
Birtherism was a statement of values, a way to express allegiance to a particular notion of American identity, one that became the central theme of the Trump campaign itself: To Make America Great Again, to turn back the clock to an era where white political and cultural hegemony was unthreatened by black people, by immigrants, by people of a different faith. By people like Barack Obama. The calls to disavow birtherism missed the point: Trump’s entire campaign was birtherism.
Trump won the Republican primary, and united the party, in part because his run was focused on the psychic wound of the first black presidency. He had, after all, humiliated and humbled Obama. None of the other Republican candidates could make such a claim. None could say, as Trump could, that they had put the first black president in his place. And so none could offer an answer to the anguish that produced birtherism. That very same anguish helped Trump win the presidency.
Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:10 am
Trump was in politics while Obama was in the Oval Office?
Yup.
In the spring of 2011, as the Republican primary got under way, Trump embraced the birther theory wholesale, wielding his trademark innuendos and falsehoods. Fox News then picked up the crusade, devoting hours of airtime to his insinuations.
“He doesn’t have a birth certificate. He may have one, but there is something on that birth certificate—maybe religion, maybe it says he’s a Muslim; I don’t know,” Trump told Fox News in late March of that year. “I have people that have been studying it and they cannot believe what they’re finding,” he told NBC in early April. “I may tie my tax returns into Obama’s birth certificate,” he suggested later that month. Trump rose sharply in the primary polls, but never formally ran, instead endorsing Romney,
Fox News, foreshadowing its essential symbiosis with the Trump campaign, and later the Trump presidency, framed the reality-show star’s crusade as a great victory. “It legitimizes his candidacy,” Dick Morris told Bill O’Reilly in April 2011. “It empowers Trump,” O’Reilly agreed. Here was a glimpse of the future, in which the reality-show star would make some outrageously false claim, and the whole of conservative media would rush to make that falsehood true through rote repetition.
Trump’s dalliance with birtherism did not harm his presidential prospects when the 2016 primary came around, because, unlike most conspiracy theories, birtherism was never meant to answer a factual query.
- - -
Birtherism was a statement of values, a way to express allegiance to a particular notion of American identity, one that became the central theme of the Trump campaign itself: To Make America Great Again, to turn back the clock to an era where white political and cultural hegemony was unthreatened by black people, by immigrants, by people of a different faith. By people like Barack Obama. The calls to disavow birtherism missed the point: Trump’s entire campaign was birtherism.
Trump won the Republican primary, and united the party, in part because his run was focused on the psychic wound of the first black presidency. He had, after all, humiliated and humbled Obama. None of the other Republican candidates could make such a claim. None could say, as Trump could, that they had put the first black president in his place. And so none could offer an answer to the anguish that produced birtherism. That very same anguish helped Trump win the presidency.
None. But you don’t have to hold a political office to be involved in politics.
He was positioning himself as a presidential candidate. In the end he did not enter the 2012 race, but chose to wait till 2016 instead. Probably realized he had no chance of beating Obama. But as you can read in the quotes I posted, he was definitely in politics. He had talked up his possible run so much he was in the polls for the republican primary.
It’s quite possible he only did it for publicity, but the fact that he really did enter the race in 2016 would indicate that he was serious about 2012 as well, but did not like his chances. As you see in the quotes above Fox news spoke about his candidacy in April of 2011, so yeah, he was in politics.
Whatever you do, always give 100 %!
Except when donating blood.
Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:10 am
Trump was in politics while Obama was in the Oval Office?
Yup.
In the spring of 2011, as the Republican primary got under way, Trump embraced the birther theory wholesale, wielding his trademark innuendos and falsehoods. Fox News then picked up the crusade, devoting hours of airtime to his insinuations.
“He doesn’t have a birth certificate. He may have one, but there is something on that birth certificate—maybe religion, maybe it says he’s a Muslim; I don’t know,” Trump told Fox News in late March of that year. “I have people that have been studying it and they cannot believe what they’re finding,” he told NBC in early April. “I may tie my tax returns into Obama’s birth certificate,” he suggested later that month. Trump rose sharply in the primary polls, but never formally ran, instead endorsing Romney,
Fox News, foreshadowing its essential symbiosis with the Trump campaign, and later the Trump presidency, framed the reality-show star’s crusade as a great victory. “It legitimizes his candidacy,” Dick Morris told Bill O’Reilly in April 2011. “It empowers Trump,” O’Reilly agreed. Here was a glimpse of the future, in which the reality-show star would make some outrageously false claim, and the whole of conservative media would rush to make that falsehood true through rote repetition.
Trump’s dalliance with birtherism did not harm his presidential prospects when the 2016 primary came around, because, unlike most conspiracy theories, birtherism was never meant to answer a factual query.
- - -
Birtherism was a statement of values, a way to express allegiance to a particular notion of American identity, one that became the central theme of the Trump campaign itself: To Make America Great Again, to turn back the clock to an era where white political and cultural hegemony was unthreatened by black people, by immigrants, by people of a different faith. By people like Barack Obama. The calls to disavow birtherism missed the point: Trump’s entire campaign was birtherism.
Trump won the Republican primary, and united the party, in part because his run was focused on the psychic wound of the first black presidency. He had, after all, humiliated and humbled Obama. None of the other Republican candidates could make such a claim. None could say, as Trump could, that they had put the first black president in his place. And so none could offer an answer to the anguish that produced birtherism. That very same anguish helped Trump win the presidency.
None. But you don’t have to hold a political office to be involved in politics.
He was positioning himself as a presidential candidate. In the end he did not enter the 2012 race, but chose to wait till 2016 instead. Probably realized he had no chance of beating Obama. But as you can read in the quotes I posted, he was definitely in politics. He had talked up his possible run so much he was in the polls for the republican primary.
This is a statement of fact.....at least grammatically speaking.
Per wrote:
It’s quite possible he only did it for publicity, but the fact that he really did enter the race in 2016 would indicate that he was serious about 2012 as well, but did not like his chances. As you see in the quotes above Fox news spoke about his candidacy in April of 2011, so yeah, he was in politics.
This is speculative qualifier of the previous, and being used as an admittance yet dismissed by "but the fact".....
It's nothing that the democrats, or any political part/candidate, haven't done in some for or another.
You just hate Trump because he's successful at getting under your liberally leftist skin.
I know, I know, you fancy yourself a centrist. However, no matter which way you want to spin it the majority of the language you subscribe to, and subsequently share, is heavily leftist.
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Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:38 pm
What was Trump's political office at the time?
None. But you don’t have to hold a political office to be involved in politics.
He was positioning himself as a presidential candidate. In the end he did not enter the 2012 race, but chose to wait till 2016 instead. Probably realized he had no chance of beating Obama. But as you can read in the quotes I posted, he was definitely in politics. He had talked up his possible run so much he was in the polls for the republican primary.
This is a statement of fact.....at least grammatically speaking.
Per wrote:
It’s quite possible he only did it for publicity, but the fact that he really did enter the race in 2016 would indicate that he was serious about 2012 as well, but did not like his chances. As you see in the quotes above Fox news spoke about his candidacy in April of 2011, so yeah, he was in politics.
This is speculative qualifier of the previous, and being used as an admittance yet dismissed by "but the fact".....
It's nothing that the democrats, or any political part/candidate, haven't done in some for or another.
You just hate Trump because he's successful at getting under your liberally leftist skin.
I know, I know, you fancy yourself a centrist. However, no matter which way you want to spin it the majority of the language you subscribe to, and subsequently share, is heavily leftist.
Not sure what you are getting at...?
Yes, absolutely, democrats and other ”political part/candidate(s)” have been in politics as well.
I mean, that’s what this was about, right? You asked whether Trump was in politics during the Obama presidency, and I produced evidence that he was.
And, yes, Trump does get under my centrist skin. Manipulative lying narcissists tend to do that.
It’s not so much about his politics as about his utter failure as a human being.
And you do know that Joe Biden also is a right wing politician, right?
In most European countries his policies would be really close to those of our conservative parties.
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Whatever you do, always give 100 %!
Except when donating blood.
Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:38 pm
What was Trump's political office at the time?
None. But you don’t have to hold a political office to be involved in politics.
He was positioning himself as a presidential candidate. In the end he did not enter the 2012 race, but chose to wait till 2016 instead. Probably realized he had no chance of beating Obama. But as you can read in the quotes I posted, he was definitely in politics. He had talked up his possible run so much he was in the polls for the republican primary.
This is a statement of fact.....at least grammatically speaking.
Per wrote:
It’s quite possible he only did it for publicity, but the fact that he really did enter the race in 2016 would indicate that he was serious about 2012 as well, but did not like his chances. As you see in the quotes above Fox news spoke about his candidacy in April of 2011, so yeah, he was in politics.
This is speculative qualifier of the previous, and being used as an admittance yet dismissed by "but the fact".....
It's nothing that the democrats, or any political part/candidate, haven't done in some for or another.
You just hate Trump because he's successful at getting under your liberally leftist skin.
I know, I know, you fancy yourself a centrist. However, no matter which way you want to spin it the majority of the language you subscribe to, and subsequently share, is heavily leftist.
Not sure what you are getting at...?
Yes, absolutely, democrats and other ”political part/candidate” have been in politics as well.
I mean, that’s what this was about, right? You asked whether Trump was in politics during the Obama presidency, and I produced evidence that he was.
And, yes, Trump does get under my centrist skin. Manipulative lying narcissists tend to do that.
It’s not so much about his politics as about his utter failure as a human being.
And you do know that Joe Biden also is a right wing politician, right?
In most European countries his policies would be really close to those of our conservative parties.
This isn't Europe.
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Cornuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:57 pmCanada isn't the USA
And sadly the USA isn’t Canada.
You guys seem to have your shit together.
Imho, it seems Canada manages to combine most of what is good in America with most of what is good in Europe, and with very few drawbacks. Well done!
Well except for the fact that our electoral system gave the Trudeau government the minority mandate despite the fact that the Conservatives got more total votes.
We also possess a strong yellow streak down our spines when it comes to standing up for our own culture and values.....even though our soldiers from the past century fought damned hard to ensure those values.
We also cater to the offended (much like the rest of the world I suppose) even when the offender has done nothing but have an opinion.
In general the world's mentality is #@%&ed.
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Cornuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:57 pmCanada isn't the USA
And sadly the USA isn’t Canada.
You guys seem to have your shit together.
Imho, it seems Canada manages to combine most of what is good in America with most of what is good in Europe, and with very few drawbacks. Well done!
Well except for the fact that our electoral system gave the Trudeau government the minority mandate despite the fact that the Conservatives got more total votes.
We also possess a strong yellow streak down our spines when it comes to standing up for our own culture and values.....even though our soldiers from the past century fought damned hard to ensure those values.
We also cater to the offended (much like the rest of the world I suppose) even when the offender has done nothing but have an opinion.
