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Per wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 2:34 pm Even the evangelicals are beginning to wake up and smell the coffee:

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/20 ... ffice.html

Strangelove wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:27 pm

The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:06 pm UK really feeling trump on a personal level eh....chill dude its just comedy. No need to detonate over anyone writing his name

If UK had a sense of humour he wouldn't have thrown Micky off the roof.

The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:06 pm UK really feeling trump on a personal level eh....chill dude its just comedy. No need to detonate over anyone writing his name

Topper wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 2:27 pm Per and UK going nuts with ad hominums is the funniest part of this......but when the moral high road is already staked out, there is little alternative.

There is no evidence and no crime.

President Zelenskyy: Yes you are absolutely right. not only 100%, but actually 1000% right I can tell you the following; I did talk to Angela Merkel and I did meet with her I also met and talked with Macron and I told them that they are not doing quite as much as they need to be doing on the issues with the sanctions. They are not enforcing the sanctions. They are not working as much as they should work for Ukraine It turns out that even though logically, the European Union should be our biggest partner but technically the United States is a much bigger partner than the European Union and- I'm very grateful to you for that because the United States is doing quite a lot for Ukraine Much more than the European Union especially when we are talking about sanctions against the Russian Federation. I would also·like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We. are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps. specifically, we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.

The· President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a
lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike ... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it.

The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:23 pm I get the feeling youre trying to convince yourself more than anyone about something...not entirely sure though what that is.

My Response to Christianity Today:

Christianity Today released an editorial stating that President Trump should be removed from office—and they invoked my father’s name (I suppose to try to bring legitimacy to their statements), so I feel it is important for me to respond. Yes, my father Billy Graham founded Christianity Today; but no, he would not agree with their opinion piece. In fact, he would be very disappointed. I have not previously shared who my father voted for in the past election, but because of this article, I feel it is necessary to share it now. My father knew Donald Trump, he believed in Donald Trump, and he voted for Donald Trump. He believed that Donald J. Trump was the man for this hour in history for our nation.

For Christianity Today to side with the Democrat Party in a totally partisan attack on the President of the United States is unfathomable. Christianity Today failed to acknowledge that not one single Republican voted with the Democrats to impeach the President. I know a number of Republicans in Congress, and many of them are strong Christians. If the President were guilty of what the Democrats claimed, these Republicans would have joined with the Democrats to impeach him. But the Democrats were not even unanimous—two voted against impeachment and one voted present. This impeachment was politically motivated, 100% partisan. Why would Christianity Today choose to take the side of the Democrat left whose only goal is to discredit and smear the name of a sitting president? They want readers to believe the Democrat leadership rather than believe the President of the United States.

Look at all the President has accomplished in a very short time. The economy of our nation is the strongest it has been in 50 years, ISIS & the caliphate have been defeated, and the President has renegotiated trade deals to benefit all Americans. The list of accomplishments is long, but for me as a Christian, the fact that he is the most pro-life president in modern history is extremely important—and Christianity Today wants us to ignore that, to say it doesn’t count? The President has been a staunch defender of religious freedom at home and around the world—and Christianity Today wants us to ignore that? Also the President has appointed conservative judges in record number—and Christianity today wants us to ignore that? Christianity Today feels he should be removed from office because of false accusations that the President emphatically denies.

Christianity Today said it’s time to call a spade a spade. The spade is this—Christianity Today has been used by the left for their political agenda. It’s obvious that Christianity Today has moved to the left and is representing the elitist liberal wing of evangelicalism.

Is President Trump guilty of sin? Of course he is, as were all past presidents and as each one of us are, including myself. Therefore, let’s pray for the President as he continues to lead the affairs of our nation.

ukcanuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:04 am

The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:23 pm I get the feeling youre trying to convince yourself more than anyone about something...not entirely sure though what that is.

Ha how did I know that would be your response. It seems that there are really only three cool responses. Laugh it off, ignore it or build a straw man and destroy it.

It’s cool though. It’s the holidays so I have some time to waste.

ukcanuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:17 pm Now you can say he is innocent and you can try to prove that, but you CANNOT say there is no quid pro quo and therefore no crime.

The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:31 am No need to yell about it

I think you should take a vacation from your trump media vigil and just eat christmas cookies or something.

Strangelove wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 11:49 am

The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:31 am No need to yell about it

I think you should take a vacation from your trump media vigil and just eat christmas cookies or something.

Where UK is it's 50 lashes if you don't scream slanderous things about Lord Trump

... and a stoning if you eat a Christmas cookie.

Strangelove wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 11:46 am

ukcanuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:17 pm Now you can say he is innocent and you can try to prove that, but you CANNOT say there is no quid pro quo and therefore no crime.

We don't need to "prove Trump is innocent"... you and yours need to prove Trump is guilty.

I guess you've forgotten how things work on this side of the pond.

"Innocent until proven guilty"... ring a bell?

Over here we require evidence of guilt... wild raving speculation doesn't do it for us.

Lord Trump is innocent of any wrongdoing no matter how much you and yours SCREAM otherwise...

ukcanuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:36 pm

Strangelove wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 11:46 am

ukcanuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:17 pm Now you can say he is innocent and you can try to prove that, but you CANNOT say there is no quid pro quo and therefore no crime.

We don't need to "prove Trump is innocent"... you and yours need to prove Trump is guilty.

I guess you've forgotten how things work on this side of the pond.

"Innocent until proven guilty"... ring a bell?

Over here we require evidence of guilt... wild raving speculation doesn't do it for us.

Lord Trump is innocent of any wrongdoing no matter how much you and yours SCREAM otherwise...

I’m not screaming brother, I’m practicing the art of posting Strangelove style.

And proving guilt is exactly what a impeachment trial is for.

You know charged with a crime and then a trial to prove it?