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ukcanuck wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:21 pm
Strangelove wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:02 pm
ukcanuck wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:55 pm Are you finally admitting that Donald’s racist rhetoric is having consequences amongst the loonier crowd?
No more than Hillary's or any other Dem leader's.

Speaking of that, YOU are "amongst the loonier crowd".

You hate what you refer to as "the media-controlling palestinian-dominating Jews".

You hate the "Christian Zionists".

And you're a fully indoctrinated tragedy-celebrating echo-chamber-dweller.

I'm confused, there's a ticking coming from your chest but you don't appear to have a heart. :eh:
Here we go again.

Name calling, whataboutery and false news.

It doesn’t seem like you are capable of a rational conversation when it comes to this topic Doc?

And this law of markets link you sent, it’s disturbing how quickly you reached for far right propaganda as proof of due diligence.

It seems you are coming unglued over there. Relax Doc it’s just summertime politics on a hockey talk site.

No need to get personal
Am I coming unglued? :lol:

Of the two of us, you are clearly the most likely to climb a clock tower.

(tick tick tick)

The link was in response to your request, twas the first one that popped up on google.

What name calling, what whataboutery and what false news? :drink:
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Strangelove wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:35 pm
ukcanuck wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:21 pm
Strangelove wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:02 pm
ukcanuck wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:55 pm Are you finally admitting that Donald’s racist rhetoric is having consequences amongst the loonier crowd?
No more than Hillary's or any other Dem leader's.

Speaking of that, YOU are "amongst the loonier crowd".

You hate what you refer to as "the media-controlling palestinian-dominating Jews".

You hate the "Christian Zionists".

And you're a fully indoctrinated tragedy-celebrating echo-chamber-dweller.

I'm confused, there's a ticking coming from your chest but you don't appear to have a heart. :eh:
Here we go again.

Name calling, whataboutery and false news.

It doesn’t seem like you are capable of a rational conversation when it comes to this topic Doc?

And this law of markets link you sent, it’s disturbing how quickly you reached for far right propaganda as proof of due diligence.

It seems you are coming unglued over there. Relax Doc it’s just summertime politics on a hockey talk site.

No need to get personal
Am I coming unglued? :lol:

Of the two of us, you are clearly the most likely to climb a clock tower.

(tick tick tick)

The link was in response to your request, twas the first one that popped up on google.

What name calling, what whataboutery and what false news? :drink:
Clock tower...

I don’t like Monday’s boomtowm rats

Fucking old guy.

Anyway, the link lists every shooting involving a democrat since democrats were the right wing party in the US.

That’s just misleading. You wanted to establish an equivalency between yesterday’s El Paso politically motivated massacre that is alleged to be in some way a result of trumps right wing nationalist rhetoric.

I asked for what shooting or terrorist act that you thought was the equal opposite. I can’t google what your thoughts are because to be honest, I can’t think of one instance where a social democrat nutcase was so upset about not having Bernie Sanders socialized medicine and pharma, free public post secondary education and the elimination of student debt that he grabbed a hockey bag full of guns and explosives and walked into a church or mosque, school or Walmart.
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ukcanuck wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:02 pm Anyway, the link lists every shooting involving a democrat since democrats were the right wing party in the US.

That’s just misleading.
Well then just focus on the more recent ones at the bottom of the list.

You claimed no lefties committed any mass shootings, you were wrong...
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Strangelove wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:10 pm
ukcanuck wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:02 pm Anyway, the link lists every shooting involving a democrat since democrats were the right wing party in the US.

That’s just misleading.
Well then just focus on the more recent ones at the bottom of the list.

You claimed no lefties committed any mass shootings, you were wrong...
I didn’t claim anything in fact I haven’t even claimed that the El Paso massacre is trumps fault.

I goaded a response out of you as to how you would defend how it wasn’t his (alleged) fault.

Reef and I agreed it would be name calling, whataboutery and fake news and so far you have obliged willingly if not quite cheerfully :)


Anyway

So which leftie that after getting stoked up on the hateful white nationalist rhetoric of a sitting president went and shot up a public place are you proposing is an equivalent act that proves your statement that both sides have produced mass murder incidents?
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rats19 wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:23 pm He was referring to MS13 ffs. Not Mexicans overall

I can’t even talk to these people anymore

Doc your thoughts...
No, as can be seen here, he is mainly talking about Mexicans....



.... and as we all know MS-13 is a gang with roots in El Salvador, even if it has spread to other Central American countries like Honduras and Guatemala.

Do you really think Donald is so stupid he cannot tell the difference between Mexico and El Salvador? :|
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An obvious selectively edited hodgepodge, like wut da fuq Per! :lol:
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ukcanuck wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:21 pm
Strangelove wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:10 pm You claimed no lefties committed any mass shootings, you were wrong...
I didn’t claim anything in fact I haven’t even claimed that the El Paso massacre is trumps fault.
WRONG ON BOTH COUNTS:
ukcanuck wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2019 10:22 pm
Strangelove wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:48 pm These kinds of attacks are done by extremists.

Sometimes the nutjob is a leftist, sometimes the nutjob is a righty.


that is an interesting false equivalency Trump V ________________? who is this left wing ideologue that leftie nutjobs go shooting up school churches and shopping malls? better yet, which nutjub leftie?
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ukcanuck wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:11 pm An alleged MAGA hat wearing, immigrant hating, Trump minion except this one has gone off the rails?

I wonder how Doc will justify how this doesn’t land at Donald’s feet if it turns out the guy was drinking trump koolaid and decided to show the world how Donald was right.
:hmmm:


Apparently you have a Dissociative Identity Disorder to go along with your other scary traits...
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Strangelove wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:52 am
ukcanuck wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:21 pm
Strangelove wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:10 pm You claimed no lefties committed any mass shootings, you were wrong...
I didn’t claim anything in fact I haven’t even claimed that the El Paso massacre is trumps fault.
WRONG ON BOTH COUNTS:
ukcanuck wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2019 10:22 pm
Strangelove wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:48 pm These kinds of attacks are done by extremists.

Sometimes the nutjob is a leftist, sometimes the nutjob is a righty.


that is an interesting false equivalency Trump V ________________? who is this left wing ideologue that leftie nutjobs go shooting up school churches and shopping malls? better yet, which nutjub leftie?
:hmmm:
ukcanuck wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:11 pm An alleged MAGA hat wearing, immigrant hating, Trump minion except this one has gone off the rails?

I wonder how Doc will justify how this doesn’t land at Donald’s feet if it turns out the guy was drinking trump koolaid and decided to show the world how Donald was right.
:hmmm:


Apparently you have a Dissociative Identity Disorder to go along with your other scary traits...
Wow, those are not statements, those are questions. The first was in response to your statement that this sort of think happens on both sides equally and is some sort of unintended consequence.

The second is where I goaded a reaction out of you. Successfully I might add.

Fake news bub.

But let me make my statement now. So you can attempt to throw this back in my face accurately.

When Trump tweeted that “the squad” should go home and fix things where they came from. I thought doesn’t he know that when he says things like that there are nut jobs listening?

Then a few days later at his rally when he whipped up his crowd and basked in his own glory. I thought again while they were chanting “send them home” that in the next few days somebody out there is going to take this too far.

And now it appears that someone took it too far.

The sad thing is it doesn’t take a genius to predict that when the POTUS speaks publicly like he is with his buddies on the golf course that things are likely to go very wrong. And they have.
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ukcanuck wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:05 pm Wow, those are not statements, those are questions.
They are clearly both. :sly:

ukcanuck wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:05 pm The second is where I goaded a reaction out of you.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. :lol: :lol: :lol:

ukcanuck wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:05 pm I thought doesn’t he know that when he says things like that there are nut jobs listening?
Clearly leadership on both sides say provocative things.

Clearly nut jobs on both sides will get triggered from time to time.

It's been that way in every society since the beginning of time.

The fact you refuse to see that proves once again how fully indoctrinated you are...
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Strangelove wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:19 pm
ukcanuck wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:05 pm Wow, those are not statements, those are questions.
They are clearly both. :sly:

ukcanuck wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:05 pm The second is where I goaded a reaction out of you.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. :lol: :lol: :lol:

ukcanuck wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:05 pm I thought doesn’t he know that when he says things like that there are nut jobs listening?
Clearly leadership on both sides say provocative things.

Clearly nut jobs on both sides will get triggered from time to time.

It's been that way in every society since the beginning of time.

The fact you refuse to see that proves once again how fully indoctrinated you are...
My second reaction upon learning of the shooting.
I wonder how Doc will justify how this doesn’t land at Donald’s feet if it turns out the guy was drinking trump koolaid and decided to show the world how Donald was right.
I wrote this to reefer knowing full well you would be reading it and I was careful to not say that the shooting was directly a result of trumps racism because no information had yet come out about the shooters motives.

Now that some information has begun to come out and by your post on the random thread I can see that you have moved from name calling and whataboutery and are fully into fake news or more accurately disinformation.

But before getting into the post article,

It has not been clearly established which left leaning political leader like trump has provided an environment that encourages nut cases to act out. Yes you provided a highly biased list that attempted to identify numerous massacres as liberal motivated but that list raises far more questions that it answers and in no way proves your point. So you still have not proved your point and a false equivalency still exists.

And trump has crossed the line from saying provocative things to saying clearly racist things. I’m sorry that you seem unable to grasp all the nuances of racism and bigotry but the evidence is in every tweet and while the partisan crowd defend their end of the spectrum wholeheartedly. 52% of the public think the tweets make him look like a racist.

So we are left with what i have said all along, Trump is a cunt.
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Trump should go back to where he came from.
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ukcanuck wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:06 pm Trump is a cunt.
Better a cunt than a goosestepping moron wot? :mrgreen:
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Strangelove wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:15 pm
ukcanuck wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:06 pm Trump is a cunt.
Better a cunt than a goosestepping moron wot? :mrgreen:
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Reefer2 wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:14 pm Trump should go back to where he came from.
His grandfather got kicked out of Germany for draft dodging. Guess it runs in the family.
Then built his fortune running brothels in Yukon and Alaska.
Very questionable ethics and no scruples. Guess that also runs in the family
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Reefer2 wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:31 pm I will say the positives about Trump and that is his stance against China and adding China to the reduction of specific missile types. China has slowly influenced countries and that needs to be managed.
I respectfully disagree.

Not that the China situation does not need to be managed, but I think he has been very ineffective in doing so and gone about it in a very incompetent manner.

1) Walking out of the TPP. The Trans Pacific Partnership was all about strengthening the US economic influence and presence in the Pacific region, as a counterweight to the looming presence of China. Thus the concept of a free trade agreement between 12 countries not including China. Trump couldn't stand it because it was negotiated by Obama, but walking out of it pretty much meant ceding the Pacific to China by forfeiting the game.
The original TPP would have boosted U.S. exports and economic growth. This should create more jobs and prosperity for the 12 countries involved. It will increase exports by $305 billion per year by 2025. U.S. exports would increase by $123.5 billion. It would benefit the machinery, auto, plastics, and agriculture industries.

It would have increased exports by removing 18,000 tariffs placed on U.S. exports to the other countries. The United States has already withdrawn 80% of these tariffs on imports. The TPP would have evened the playing field.

The agreement would have added $223 billion a year to incomes of workers in all the countries, with $77 billion going to U.S. workers.
Notably, the TPP excluded China. That was deliberate. It was meant to balance the trade dominance of both China and India in East Asia. The TPP would have given the United States an excuse to intervene in trade disputes in the oil-rich South China Sea. China has been beefing up its military to back its incursions in that area.
https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-the- ... ip-3305581

2) The steel tariffs. The European Union has been equally concerned about Chinese price-dumping when it comes to steel, and the US could easily have made a joint protest with the EU to the WTO and then the two could have worked out anti-dumping measures against China that would have been in accordance with international law and accepted practice. Instead Trump went all rogue and imposed steel and aluminium tariffs on everyone, including close friends and allies such as Canada, Norway, South Korea, etc, citing national security reasons. This was completely unfair, as neither the EU nor Canada was dumping steel prices. And there is no way buying steel and/or aluminium from Canada or Norway in any reasonable way could be considered a threat to US national security. That was just bullshit, as everyone also pointed out, and no genuine concern. By throwing the metal industries of his friends and allies under the bus, Trump also created a two front war instead of focusing on China. Of course the EU would not take this lying down, so they quickly imposed countermeasures calculated to cause maximal damage to US industries. Thus instead of engaging the EU to create a united front against China, Trump pissed the EU off and created two trade wars instead of one.
“We have a problem: China is dumping the market, China is subsidizing their industry, this creates global distortions. We can agree on that. So what is the solution? Well, we think it is to cooperate on China,” Malmstrom told Bloomberg News in an interview in Washington. “The solution to these problems is not imposing tariffs on the European Union. Why is that so hard to understand?”
Trump last month received a Commerce Department report on the national-security risks of automobile and car part imports and has until mid-May to make a decision on whether to impose tariffs. He’s repeatedly threatened to hit EU vehicles with tariffs of as much as 25 percent.
The EU would retaliate against 20 billion euros ($22.4 billion) in American goods, Malmstrom said in the interview. A broad list of products is being drawn up, and among those targets could be segments of the U.S. auto industry, she said.
“I would do that with a very heavy heart,” she said. “We should work on common threats and common challenges and not impose tariffs on each other.”

The EU was “deeply offended” by the fact that the U.S. has designated it a national-security risk when the Trump administration imposed tariffs on EU steel and aluminum exports, Malmstrom said at an event earlier Thursday. She said those duties, the threat of even more tariffs targeting European autos and the “very harsh rhetoric” have led to a lack of trust in the transatlantic relationship.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... e-on-china

3. Recent additional tariffs on Chinese products. No one wins a trade war. It hurts everyone. But rather than trying to negotiate a solution that could resolve matters, Trump resorts to what he knows best - bullying. He hopes the US financial muscle can outlast China in a war of attrition, so he doubles down and raises the stakes. But he needs to remember that his adversary this time is not some mom and dad subcontractor that he can run into the ground without much effort. The Chinese outnumber Americans four to one, and in an autocracy they do not need to worry about public opinions or being reelected. They can play hardball. The Chinese have responded this week by lowering the value of the yuan, thus undercutting prices, and deciding to stop buying soybeans from the USA. Bear in mind, soy beans is the most important agricultural export product of the USA and the backbone of Iowa's economy. And China is their main export market. As a result the stock markets are falling. Dow Jones fell 2.9% yesterday and Nasdaq 3.5%. And it's not just a local effect in the US. Stock markets are falling throughout the world.
The weak yuan ignited fear on Wall Street that a currency war has begun or that the United States would respond with even higher tariffs, prolonging the standoff with China and potentially weakening the global economy. Investors are particularly concerned that the Trump administration could try to devalue the dollar, sparking a currency war that could weaken Americans' purchasing power.
"Risks of Trump intervening in foreign exchange markets have increased with China letting the yuan go," wrote Viraj Patel, FX and global macro strategist at Arkera, on Twitter. "If this was an all out currency war - the US would hands down lose. Beijing [is] far more advanced in playing the currency game [and has] bigger firepower."
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/05/inve ... index.html

All in all - it's a mess.

Yes, the US needs to address rising Chinese influence, if they want to stay on top, but Trump is doing it all wrong.

He should build alliances with others to counter Chinese expansion. Instead he backs out of the TPP, alienates Europe and let's the American consumers foot the bill for his ineffective posturing. Because in the end it is the American consumer that pays the tariffs on imports.
And it is the farmers in Iowa that will go bankrupt when they cannot sell their soy beans.
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