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Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:12 pm
by Raile
What are the Caps thinking on the PLD trade? With the number of remaining years isn't this an absolute monster of a gamble? Feels like some similarities to our own OEL trade..
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:41 pm
by Hockey Widow
You have to believe there are issues with PLD. LA gave up a lot to acquire him. This is Blake cutting his losses before the PLD no trade kicks in.
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:59 pm
by Topper
Looking back, wasn't PLD the player Vancouver most coveted in the draft and when he was taken, Vancouver settled upon the JuJu man.
Every trade of PLD involves a GM cutting his losses.
Gives a modicum of comfort on the failure of the JuJu man to develop a heart.
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 2:08 pm
by Raile
Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:41 pm
You have to believe there are issues with PLD. LA gave up a lot to acquire him. This is Blake cutting his losses before the PLD no trade kicks in.
oh no HW, I get why LA is getting rid of him.. I just don't understand why the Caps are doing this deal. They aren't giving up a ton to get him, but they are taking on that cap hit for 8 or so years.. yikes! I assume they are gambling that after 4 teams or whatever he'll finally become the player he was drafted to be.. such a huge gamble
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 2:33 pm
by UWSaint
Raile wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 2:08 pm
Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:41 pm
You have to believe there are issues with PLD. LA gave up a lot to acquire him. This is Blake cutting his losses before the PLD no trade kicks in.
oh no HW, I get why LA is getting rid of him.. I just don't understand why the Caps are doing this deal. They aren't giving up a ton to get him, but they are taking on that cap hit for 8 or so years.. yikes! I assume they are gambling that after 4 teams or whatever he'll finally become the player he was drafted to be.. such a huge gamble
While I mostly agree that acquiring Dubois is like buying land near Chernobyl, hope springs eternal for a 25 year old (almost 26) with size and talent. And more than "not giving up a ton to get him," they arguably traded Loui Eriksson with 3 years left on his deal to get him. Kuemper didn't belong in the NHL last year, and the chances of repeating that performance (at $5.25 M) and having zero value at the NHL level is far more likely than returning to his Colorado form. If Markstrom is "fringe" on Topper's tiering, what is Kuemper? If the Kings are heading into this season thinking Kuemper is their #1, that's good news for the Pacific Division.
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 2:41 pm
by Hockey Widow
LA gets some cap relief.
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 2:57 pm
by Strangelove
Raile wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 2:08 pm
Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:41 pm
You have to believe there are issues with PLD. LA gave up a lot to acquire him. This is Blake cutting his losses before the PLD no trade kicks in.
oh no HW, I get why LA is getting rid of him.. I just don't understand why the Caps are doing this deal. They aren't giving up a ton to get him, but they are taking on that cap hit for 8 or so years.. yikes! I assume they are gambling that after 4 teams or whatever he'll finally become the player he was drafted to be.. such a huge gamble
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 3:00 pm
by Strangelove
Topper wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 9:42 am
Markstrom to NJ for Bahl and a 2025 1st
WOW, seems like a lot for Old Man Markstrom
... even if the Flames did retain.
Good though, likely drives up the price of Ullmark/Saros with the Leaves shopping for a goalie.
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 3:08 pm
by Raile
UWSaint wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 2:33 pm
Raile wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 2:08 pm
Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:41 pm
You have to believe there are issues with PLD. LA gave up a lot to acquire him. This is Blake cutting his losses before the PLD no trade kicks in.
oh no HW, I get why LA is getting rid of him.. I just don't understand why the Caps are doing this deal. They aren't giving up a ton to get him, but they are taking on that cap hit for 8 or so years.. yikes! I assume they are gambling that after 4 teams or whatever he'll finally become the player he was drafted to be.. such a huge gamble
While I mostly agree that acquiring Dubois is like buying land near Chernobyl, hope springs eternal for a 25 year old (almost 26) with size and talent. And more than "not giving up a ton to get him," they arguably traded Loui Eriksson with 3 years left on his deal to get him. Kuemper didn't belong in the NHL last year, and the chances of repeating that performance (at $5.25 M) and having zero value at the NHL level is far more likely than returning to his Colorado form. If Markstrom is "fringe" on Topper's tiering, what is Kuemper? If the Kings are heading into this season thinking Kuemper is their #1, that's good news for the Pacific Division.
Thanks UW, I havn't paid much attention to Kuemper lately, was pegging him more as zero value. If he's as negative as you're saying that brings at least a little more insight to why they are doing it.
Your Loui example however is not making it any easier for me to try and ignore the OEL trade similarities!
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 3:08 pm
by Raile
Strangelove wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 2:57 pm
Raile wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 2:08 pm
Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:41 pm
You have to believe there are issues with PLD. LA gave up a lot to acquire him. This is Blake cutting his losses before the PLD no trade kicks in.
oh no HW, I get why LA is getting rid of him.. I just don't understand why the Caps are doing this deal. They aren't giving up a ton to get him, but they are taking on that cap hit for 8 or so years.. yikes! I assume they are gambling that after 4 teams or whatever he'll finally become the player he was drafted to be.. such a huge gamble
pretty much
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 3:46 pm
by donlever
Washington is an aging team and will be dropping mega salary sooner than later thus are in a position to make the reclamation effort.
Maybe it works a la LeClair or Bert.
Maybe not.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C8aNeJ7Pxwc ... M3MHU1cw==
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 7:03 pm
by Madcombinepilot
theman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 11:53 am
Number taken from Capfriendly:
So, say:
Myers: $2.75 mil
Zadorov $5.25 mil
Bluger $1.5 mil
Jake Guentzel $9mil
=
$18.5 mil with 21 players signed.
This fan base and media clickers needs to move on from the 9million albatross that is about to happen.
No way do we want this contract.
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 7:12 pm
by Strangelove
theman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 11:53 am
Number taken from Capfriendly:
CAP SPACE WITH LTIR CANDIDATES:
$18,553,333. with 17 players signed so far.
So, say:
Myers: $2.75 mil
Zadorov $5.25 mil
Bluger $1.5 mil
Jake Guentzel $9mil
=
$18.5 mil with 21 players signed.
leaves nothing for anyone else and the Canucks going with a 21 man roster. It will be tight.
Didn't include a potential Silovs cap hit as it would be about the same as the current back up's on Capfriendly's website
Gunna hafta move Mikheyev.
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 7:51 pm
by Topper
Saw elsewhere on the interweb
Caps acquired CapFriendly so people will forget how bad the PLD contract is.
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:05 pm
by donlever
Topper wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 7:51 pm
Saw elsewhere on the interweb
Caps acquired CapFriendly so people will forget how bad the PLD contract is.