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2Fingers wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 3:11 pm

dangler wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 3:10 pm In regards to doing a offer sheet, do the Canucks even have the necessary compensation draft picks to do one?
In regards to signing Marner, i doubt we'd have the cap space after taking on another top end Center and hopefully reupping Suter.

We would by getting rid of Chytil and trading Demko

You are far too hot to trot to get rid of one of the best 3 goaltenders this team has ever had. Wait to see what his ask is, and wait to see how his health tracks next season.

Mëds wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 6:15 pm You are far too hot to trot to get rid of one of the best 3 goaltenders this team has ever had. Wait to see what his ask is, and wait to see how his health tracks next season.

Exactly - wait on it - like someone else mentioned, "The Tanev Effect" - if we can land 1-3 good forwards, we'll be doing a lot better having our goal and D set.

In a perfect world you keep Demko.

Is there anyway to get rid of OEL cap hit?

rats19 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 6:32 pm Is there anyway to get rid of OEL cap hit?

What a millstone.

in a perfect world :
1. 11.6 regains his form and strengthens his mental and core power,
2. Raty somehow turns into a dependable 40 pt+ center


all problems solved and we focus on patching up wingers holes

11.6 was depressed last summer due to the name-calling and didn't put in the work. This summer he'll be pumping Iron and drinking eggs from the blender. It's his only choice if he doesn't want to become irrelevant.

Fingers crossed for a Jonathan Huberdeau level bounce back from Elias Pettersson.

Mëds wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 12:41 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 12:01 pm

Lancer wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 11:52 am

Mëds wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 11:22 am If we are looking for a 1C then it is Pettersson who has to go.

Pretty sure management has tied their horse to Petey as 1C. They wouldn't have paid him what they did if they didn't. If they offload Petey before 1 July, we'll know the marriage is over. Highly unlikely given management's moves to-date since they signed him. If he doesn't make it soon as a 1C, they will be looking for work.

The more pertinent question is who they're looking for to fill the 2C spot.

And if they trade Pettersson they now have to find 2 top 6 centres. I still think our draft pick plus grade A prospect will be the price.

If they trade Pettersson they would be trading him for another centre. So they would still be looking for a top-6 center, but they would very likely have more cap room in which to do so, and ideally they would NOT be as hard pressed to find wingers who could find chemistry with their new center.

Pettersson has been playing like an elite 3C for most of this season. There have been flashes of that 1C or 2C, but they have been only that.

I want this team to win. Always have. If Pettersson is our 1C going forward then this team needs major surgery to support him. Which is the reversal of the true 1C situation in that the 1C is good enough to support his linemates and turn them into top-6 scorers. We cannot be continually having to worry about the very particular type of player needed to make our $11.6M 1C actually worth his contract. Just not the way you build successfully. The contract was a mistake. Admit it, take the hit, and try to do it right next time.....or you can double down and continually try and patch the hull of a ship by moving an insufficient number of plugs from leak to leak.

Our draft pick + a prospect may be the price for a 1C. And they should pay it. But they should still trade Pettersson for multiple reasons.

Couple things I dont agree with here.. If you get a 1C, that cap hit is gonna be 11+ (so the same as EP40) and you are again gambling on how that player gels in the room, which is fragile to start with. Nobody is arguing he had an off year. But to not expect a bounce back season 25-26, after a full season of training, and no drama, is kind of silly. Your letting your dislike for a guy jade your view.

Second, Trading picks and prospects to make your trade happening, is simply adding to the problem instead of fixing it. This team needs some players playing on entry level contracts, find some gems and develop them. Its so rare for 1C players to be traded (especially where one is a lower cap hit than the other) that 'trading petey to fix the problem' is simply not a solution.

Madcombinepilot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 12:35 pm

Mëds wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 12:41 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 12:01 pm

Lancer wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 11:52 am

Mëds wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 11:22 am If we are looking for a 1C then it is Pettersson who has to go.

Pretty sure management has tied their horse to Petey as 1C. They wouldn't have paid him what they did if they didn't. If they offload Petey before 1 July, we'll know the marriage is over. Highly unlikely given management's moves to-date since they signed him. If he doesn't make it soon as a 1C, they will be looking for work.

The more pertinent question is who they're looking for to fill the 2C spot.

And if they trade Pettersson they now have to find 2 top 6 centres. I still think our draft pick plus grade A prospect will be the price.

If they trade Pettersson they would be trading him for another centre. So they would still be looking for a top-6 center, but they would very likely have more cap room in which to do so, and ideally they would NOT be as hard pressed to find wingers who could find chemistry with their new center.

Pettersson has been playing like an elite 3C for most of this season. There have been flashes of that 1C or 2C, but they have been only that.

I want this team to win. Always have. If Pettersson is our 1C going forward then this team needs major surgery to support him. Which is the reversal of the true 1C situation in that the 1C is good enough to support his linemates and turn them into top-6 scorers. We cannot be continually having to worry about the very particular type of player needed to make our $11.6M 1C actually worth his contract. Just not the way you build successfully. The contract was a mistake. Admit it, take the hit, and try to do it right next time.....or you can double down and continually try and patch the hull of a ship by moving an insufficient number of plugs from leak to leak.

Our draft pick + a prospect may be the price for a 1C. And they should pay it. But they should still trade Pettersson for multiple reasons.

Couple things I dont agree with here.. If you get a 1C, that cap hit is gonna be 11+ (so the same as EP40) and you are again gambling on how that player gels in the room, which is fragile to start with. Nobody is arguing he had an off year. But to not expect a bounce back season 25-26, after a full season of training, and no drama, is kind of silly. Your letting your dislike for a guy jade your view.

No, this has nothing to do with my dislike for the individual. This is purely a "business" opinion.

The likelihood of getting a 1C who is already 90+ point player in any trade is very slim. In this scenario the Canucks are trading for someone who has yet to hit that potential and is in the 23-24 years old range. You are getting a player that is probably making $8M currently, or is RFA (or will be next year) and can more likely be extended for under $9M or less. This is for a McTavish or Byfield.

To expect something different in the off-season from a player who has a track record of 6 off-seasons where he has not put in the work, and 6 seasons of being easily pushed off the puck, and multiple stretches in 6 seasons (and now an entire 7th season) where he has failed to deliver because of the mental side of the game, well doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, that's the definition of crazy.

It is time to turn the page on this guy while we (somewhat) easily can. Play and player aside, the cancer that ate the locker room was not just Miller. Remove the whole thing and move on.

Second, Trading picks and prospects to make your trade happening, is simply adding to the problem instead of fixing it. This team needs some players playing on entry level contracts, find some gems and develop them. Its so rare for 1C players to be traded (especially where one is a lower cap hit than the other) that 'trading petey to fix the problem' is simply not a solution.

The bottom line for this team is Quinn. If he's willing to stay, then the window opens and closes with him. Drafting players to play with Hughes is not an option because, barring an all out gold strike in the draft, those players are years away from being top-6 or top-4 contributors. If the plan is to win with Hughes then the only way to acquire those players is via trade and free agency.....the former costs futures (picks and prospects) the latter costs cap space (an area we are hamstrung on by previous managements roster decisions).

I'm not trading Petey to acquire his replacement. I'm suggesting Willander and our 1st. With our blueline well established at this point, Pettersson gets moved for other top-6 support and possible some of those futures that you don't want to part with.

The other consideration is Demko. A goaltender who, if he manages to play 4 or 5 healthy seasons, will almost certainly find himself of a HoF ballot after his career. This is not a guy easily replaced, and the signing of Lankinen as a reliable B-grade starter to police the crease in tandem with our fragile superstar, hopefully goes a long ways to making those seasons a reality in Vancouver. But there are the rumors of his mental health.....whispers that some of his physical ailments are actually as much in his head as his hips and knees.

For 2025-26 the need is our top-6. Fix that and this team is much better.....a much better team is more attractive for Demko and Hughes to re-sign with.

Unless he comes back on a team-friendly deal we should drop Suter. Ratoo has got 6 in 27 which extrapolates to 16 if he'd played the same number of games as Suter. That's slightly better than Suter's long-term average.

Suter may be good on the PK but I'd rather have Ratoo's faceoff prowess and ELC for similar production, and potentially higher ceiling.

Raty is up to 7 goals in 29 games playing limited minutes. I''ve always thought there was a player there. Just needs a bit more pop in his skating.

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 9:39 pm Raty is up to 7 goals in 29 games playing limited minutes. I''ve always thought there was a player there. Just needs a bit more pop in his skating.

I saw the stat line saying he has scored 5 goals in 7 games. Likely a streak, but AHL call-ups and tweeners seldom go on streaks like that in the big league. Even if he doesn't keep up the goal-scoring pace the rest of the way, if he keeps doing what he's been doing the last couple of games he's stamped his ticket to Vancouver next season - barring a horrible training camp. We'll see whether he displaces Bluegers at 3C next year, but he's been doing a lot of what Bluegers did last season - minus the chemistry with Joshua and Garland.

He seems like a kid who needed time to adjust to pro-style hockey, maybe grow up and mature as a player. Hopefully that's the case; kind of found money if so. If Raty, Mancini and O'Connor stick with the big club moving forward as contributors to a playoff team - even in the bottom six - then kudos to the team's pro-scouts and the player development staff.

5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 6:20 pm Unless he comes back on a team-friendly deal we should drop Suter. Ratoo has got 6 in 27 which extrapolates to 16 if he'd played the same number of games as Suter. That's slightly better than Suter's long-term average.

Suter may be good on the PK but I'd rather have Ratoo's faceoff prowess and ELC for similar production, and potentially higher ceiling.

Suter is good insurance and can play anywhere when injuries occur.
Chances are whatever Center they sign for 2C duties will be a "hoping he can take another step, hasn't reached his potential" type. If they can't cut the mustard , then Pius can step in for the meantime.
Team friendly ,sure, but he's due for a big bump so where do they draw the line? $4M aav??

dangler wrote: ↑Wed Apr 09, 2025 9:15 am

5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 6:20 pm Unless he comes back on a team-friendly deal we should drop Suter. Ratoo has got 6 in 27 which extrapolates to 16 if he'd played the same number of games as Suter. That's slightly better than Suter's long-term average.

Suter may be good on the PK but I'd rather have Ratoo's faceoff prowess and ELC for similar production, and potentially higher ceiling.

Suter is good insurance and can play anywhere when injuries occur.
Chances are whatever Center they sign for 2C duties will be a "hoping he can take another step, hasn't reached his potential" type. If they can't cut the mustard , then Pius can step in for the meantime.
Team friendly ,sure, but he's due for a big bump so where do they draw the line? $4M aav??

Suter is a big part of our resurgent PK. He has also shown he can play on any of ourfour lines and play wing as well as centre. He may not be a true top six and we would only know that if he had to play top six all season. But he did have great chemistry playing with Boeser and Miller. Right now is proving his value playing top centre. He really is a Swiss Army knife and has proven, imho, his value. He will get paid this off season. He still has an outside chance of getting 30 goals this year. If we can sign him to a 5 year 4 mil contract that would be good for both.

As for Raty, he should be on this team next year. I do see him as eventually being able to play higher up in the line up but think he could easily replace Bluegar.