The Official Dave Ayres CC "All Thing Leaves" thread

[Strangelove]

They have the top 2 rookie scorers in the NHL and 6 of the top 15. They are obviously screwed with no future.

They have those "Big 3" youngsters (ages 19, 19, 20) they earned through ineptitude.

But of those 6 "rookies" the other "Small 3" are ages 23, 24, 25. (the 25-yr-old is a Dman)

Even the Canucks, a team not thought by anyone to have much in the way of young scorers can match those 3.

Canucks have a 21-year-old forward (Horvat) who is completely outclassing those 3.

He is also outscoring one of your "Big 3" (20-year-old Nylander).

Even 24-year-old Baertschi is destroying your "Small 3" in scoring

... and no one thinks much of Baertschi.

23-year-old Markus WHO? Granlund would be right there with your "Small 3" in scoring

... and we're hoping to lose him in the expansion draft.

22-yr-old Dman Stecher + 23-yr-old Dman Hutton are close to your "rookie" 25-yr-old Dman in PPG

... but Stecher has scored twice as many goals, Hutton quadruple as many goals as your man!

And we're not a flashy goal-scoring team, we're busy building from the net out.

I can only imagine all the superior players other teams have aged 23, 24, 25 (but not classified "rookies").

What I'm saying is your "Small 3" are insignificant (hell Zaitsev will be a UFA if he plays <80 games).

However, I grant you permission to be excited about your "Big 3"... for the time being.

(keep in mind though that if they keep exciting you, their salaries will be huge 1.5 - 2.5 years from now)

(players like that don't get bridge contracts... so you'd be paying UFA dollars)

That's all you have, your "Big 3"... and nothing else of consequence.

Enjoy a decade of flash n dash but NO CUP FOR YOU!!

NEXT!

[2Fingers]

Doc you can be an ass sometimes but days like this I am glad your our ass

[Topper]

Doc you can be an ass sometimes but days like this I am glad your our ass

I shit you not.

[BigTuna]

They have the top 2 rookie scorers in the NHL and 6 of the top 15. They are obviously screwed with no future.

They have those "Big 3" youngsters (ages 19, 19, 20) they earned through ineptitude.

But of those 6 "rookies" the other "Small 3" are ages 23, 24, 25. (the 25-yr-old is a Dman)

Even the Canucks, a team not thought by anyone to have much in the way of young scorers can match those 3.

Canucks have a 21-year-old forward (Horvat) who is completely outclassing those 3.

He is also outscoring one of your "Big 3" (20-year-old Nylander).

Even 24-year-old Baertschi is destroying your "Small 3" in scoring

... and no one thinks much of Baertschi.

23-year-old Markus WHO? Granlund would be right there with your "Small 3" in scoring

... and we're hoping to lose him in the expansion draft.

22-yr-old Dman Stecher + 23-yr-old Dman Hutton are close to your "rookie" 25-yr-old Dman in PPG

... but Stecher has scored twice as many goals, Hutton quadruple as many goals as your man!

And we're not a flashy goal-scoring team, we're busy building from the net out.

I can only imagine all the superior players other teams have aged 23, 24, 25 (but not classified "rookies").

What I'm saying is your "Small 3" are insignificant (hell Zaitsev will be a UFA if he plays <80 games).

However, I grant you permission to be excited about your "Big 3"... for the time being.

(keep in mind though that if they keep exciting you, their salaries will be huge 1.5 - 2.5 years from now)

(players like that don't get bridge contracts... so you'd be paying UFA dollars)

That's all you have, your "Big 3"... and nothing else of consequence.

Enjoy a decade of flash n dash but NO CUP FOR YOU!!

NEXT!

Haven't you learned your lessen from the horrific "Marner will bust" prediction? Stop basing players on size. The NHL is changing. Connor Brown is a terrific 2nd/3rd line guy to have on your team. When he's only the 4th highest scoring rookie and 5th best rookie on your team, you know you're in great shape.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Lol at Doc worrying about what a team will have to pay a great young player. I guess teams should just try and draft mediocre young players so they don't have to pay them as much.

[BigTuna]

The leaves cap situation is fine. Where is the worry for teams like Edmonton, Winnipeg or Buffalo?? All 3 are in much worse shape cap-wise. The Sabres have been dumb. Signing expensive UFA's who will be past their primes by the time they are good.(Okposo has been good, but 6 million for 7 years and he's 29 soon).
The leaves by far have the best cap situation as any young team in the NHL.

[Chef Boi RD]

To fix the leaves horrendous D situation something Lou is so desperate to do they are going to have to offer up a package like Nylander, top prospect and their 2017 1st round pick. Maybe with our abundance of top quality young D men we could toss them Hutton for Nylander or Gudbranson for their 2017 1st?

The price for top 4 D-men is ridiculously high, the leaves have no choice but to step up to the plate and deal like men, Chiarelli did it to get Larsson, we did it to get Gudbranson, the Flames did it to get Hamilton,'and all three of these guys are only considered top 4 D-men, Not top pairing

Remember you build your team from the goaltending out. Forwards are in abundance and easy to find in a trade, draft or the UFA market. Acquiring quality D is a near impossibility

leaves farm coach - "the leaves top D prospects are yeeeeeeeaaaaaars away!" Not good

Also there are no stud D men in the 2017 draft, only 4 may go in the top 20, Likjegren falling like a rock, Makar, Valimaki, Foote and maybe Hague and all the scouts say, as in the words of the leaves farm team coach - "are yeeeeeeaaaaarrrrrs away from playing in the NHL"

And as typical its forward strong draft class, which is good for the Canucks not good for the leaves. brilliant move by us drafting Juolevi in last years draft! BRILLIANCE!!!!!

[BigTuna]

To fix the leaves horrendous D situation something Lou is so desperate to do they are going to have to offer up a package like Nylander, top prospect and their 2017 1st round pick. Maybe with our abundance of top quality young D men we could toss them Hutton for Nylander or Gudbranson for their 2017 1st?

The price for top 4 D-men is ridiculously high, the leaves have no choice but to step up to the plate and deal like men, Chiarelli did it to get Larsson, we did it to get Gudbranson, the Flames did it to get Hamilton,'and all three of these guys are only considered top 4 D-men, Not top pairing

Remember you build your team from the goaltending out. Forwards are in abundance and easy to find in a trade, draft or the UFA market. Acquiring quality D is a near impossibility

leaves farm coach - "the leaves top D prospects are yeeeeeeeaaaaaars away!" Not good

Also there are no stud D men in the 2017 draft, only 4 may go in the top 20, Likjegren falling like a rock, Makar, Valimaki, Foote and maybe Hague and all the scouts say, as in the words of the leaves farm team coach - "are yeeeeeeaaaaarrrrrs away from playing in the NHL"

And as typical its forward strong draft class, which is good for the Canucks not good for the leaves. brilliant move by us drafting Juolevi in last years draft! BRILLIANCE!!!!!

Based on the Oilers trade of Hall. The price will go back to what it was before.

[Chef Boi RD]

To fix the leaves horrendous D situation something Lou is so desperate to do they are going to have to offer up a package like Nylander, top prospect and their 2017 1st round pick. Maybe with our abundance of top quality young D men we could toss them Hutton for Nylander or Gudbranson for their 2017 1st?

The price for top 4 D-men is ridiculously high, the leaves have no choice but to step up to the plate and deal like men, Chiarelli did it to get Larsson, we did it to get Gudbranson, the Flames did it to get Hamilton,'and all three of these guys are only considered top 4 D-men, Not top pairing

Remember you build your team from the goaltending out. Forwards are in abundance and easy to find in a trade, draft or the UFA market. Acquiring quality D is a near impossibility

leaves farm coach - "the leaves top D prospects are yeeeeeeeaaaaaars away!" Not good

Also there are no stud D men in the 2017 draft, only 4 may go in the top 20, Likjegren falling like a rock, Makar, Valimaki, Foote and maybe Hague and all the scouts say, as in the words of the leaves farm team coach - "are yeeeeeeaaaaarrrrrs away from playing in the NHL"

And as typical its forward strong draft class, which is good for the Canucks not good for the leaves. brilliant move by us drafting Juolevi in last years draft! BRILLIANCE!!!!!

Based on the Oilers trade of Hall. The price will go back to what it was before.

Have you not been paying attention to the headline news on all the Hockey Sites? TSN reported this last week Lou Lamoriello saying "the price for a top 4 defenseman is 'TOO' high" Yeah, no...nothing's changed regarding the premium on a top 4 defenseman. Like I said Tuna, good luck with that.

[BigTuna]

To fix the leaves horrendous D situation something Lou is so desperate to do they are going to have to offer up a package like Nylander, top prospect and their 2017 1st round pick. Maybe with our abundance of top quality young D men we could toss them Hutton for Nylander or Gudbranson for their 2017 1st?

The price for top 4 D-men is ridiculously high, the leaves have no choice but to step up to the plate and deal like men, Chiarelli did it to get Larsson, we did it to get Gudbranson, the Flames did it to get Hamilton,'and all three of these guys are only considered top 4 D-men, Not top pairing

Remember you build your team from the goaltending out. Forwards are in abundance and easy to find in a trade, draft or the UFA market. Acquiring quality D is a near impossibility

leaves farm coach - "the leaves top D prospects are yeeeeeeeaaaaaars away!" Not good

Also there are no stud D men in the 2017 draft, only 4 may go in the top 20, Likjegren falling like a rock, Makar, Valimaki, Foote and maybe Hague and all the scouts say, as in the words of the leaves farm team coach - "are yeeeeeeaaaaarrrrrs away from playing in the NHL"

And as typical its forward strong draft class, which is good for the Canucks not good for the leaves. brilliant move by us drafting Juolevi in last years draft! BRILLIANCE!!!!!

Based on the Oilers trade of Hall. The price will go back to what it was before.

Have you not been paying attention to the headline news on all the Hockey Sites? TSN reported this last week Lou Lamoriello saying "the price for a top 4 defenseman is 'TOO' high" Yeah, no...nothing's changed regarding the premium on a top 4 defenseman. Like I said Tuna, good luck with that.

He's saying that because acquiring a player like that is rushing the rebuild. Buffalo has tried that and it has done nothing but slow their rebuild.
They have great assets to acquire a top 4 D-Man. But they will take their time. No need to rush it with the team so young. Edmonton waited years before making a move like that.

[Chef Boi RD]

And how did that work out for the Oilers?

Tuna you're a beaut, now that your leaves, according to Lou, are in dire need to overhaul their top 4, according to you, that is not difficult to achieve anymore, cause well it's the leaves, LOL good luck with that

[Strangelove]

Connor Brown is a terrific 2nd/3rd line guy to have on your team. When he's only the 4th highest scoring rookie and 5th best rookie on your team, you know you're in great shape.

Good Gawd man, read my post again!

[BigTuna]

And how did that work out for the Oilers?

Tuna you're a beaut, now that your leaves, according to Lou, are in dire need to overhaul their top 4, according to you, that is not difficult to achieve anymore, cause well it's the leaves, LOL good luck with that

I don't believe that is what he said..
The funny thing is, the leaves just added a solid top 4 for free in the summer.

And why are you saying it hasn't worked for the Oilers?

[Chef Boi RD]

And how did that work out for the Oilers?

Tuna you're a beaut, now that your leaves, according to Lou, are in dire need to overhaul their top 4, according to you, that is not difficult to achieve anymore, cause well it's the leaves, LOL good luck with that

I don't believe that is what he said..
The funny thing is, the leaves just added a solid top 4 for free in the summer.

And why are you saying it hasn't worked for the Oilers?

Typical Leaf fan, totally oblivious to the other teams beyond the leaves. It wasn't until McJesus arrived in Edmonton when you goofs started to pay attention, all the while, us Nuck fans have been pretty much in-tuned with the goings-ons with all the of the Nucks division rivals.

Before McJesus started walking on water in Edmonton, just to educate your ignorance, if that is all possible, the Oilers suffered through many versions of a rebuild over a 10 year period, starting with Part 1 - The Hemsky, Cogliano, Gagner rebuild. Part 2, the Pjaarvii, Eberle, Hall rebuild. Part 3, the Nugent Hopkins, Nurse, Draisaitl rebuild, Part 4 the now McJesus/Puljiarrvi rebuild. Before McJesus the Oiler Decade of terrible hockey saw the team only draft one defenceman in the first round - Nurse. Step in Chiarelli a season and a half ago, he trades a first round pick (Barzal) and the 31st overall pick (used to draft Beauvellier) for Griffin Rienhart, then follows that up by trading Hall for Larsson, throw in a bunch of picks traded for Talbot and a UFA signing of Sekera.

The long and short of it, the Oilers ignored the defence and goaltending for nearly a decade prior to Chiarelli arriving. Wake the fuck up Tuna, the leaves are going nowhere until they address that black hole on D, or they can just keep on avoiding it because it's to pricey to fix, just like the Oilers did for a decade before Chiarelli arrived.

Sooner or later Ole Lou is going to have to pay the piper to fix it, just like Nucks, Flames and Oilers had to, so be prepared to see something like a package of a Nylander, a 1st round pick and a top prospect traded for a 2nd pairing D-man soon. LMAO!!!!! The premium on D will never change.

[Chef Boi RD]

Tuna like the dingabt he is keeps going on about the leaves rookies ignoring their ages.

Lets take a looksey

Zack Hyman - 24 YEARS OLD - 7 goals 14 assists
Sven Baertschi - 24 YEARS OLD - 13 goals 13 assists

Connor Brown - 23 YEARS OLD - 11 goals 10 assists
Markus Granlund - 23 YEARS OLD - 12 goals 8 assists

Nikita Zaitsev - 25 YEARS OLD - 1 goal 19 assists
Troy Stecher - 22 YEARS OLD - 2 goals 12 assists (I can bring up Trymakin 22 years old, Hutton 23 years old, Gudbranson 25 years old, Tanev - 27 years old, Juolevi - 18 years old, Brisebios 19 years old, but I won't...lets just compare Stecher and Zaitsev.)

Horvat = Matthews
Boeser = Marner
Virtanen = Nylander

Not going to mention a young Gaunce, Rodin, Lockwood, Audette, Labate, Neil, McEney, Olson, Cassels. NOT EVEN GOING TO MENTION THATCHER DEMKO, or the YOUNG MARKSTROM!

The bottom line is Tuna, our future on Defense is a thousand times better than yours, as well as our future goaltending. The two most difficult positions to acquire quality in. You build from the net out, because Forwards are in abundance as seen on the trade market, the draft and the UFA market. The hardest part of rebuilding is over for the Canucks as the D and Goaltending are set. The leaves are not set in those area's, hence what Lou Lamoriello has been saying to the media lately.

And puleeeeease, stop mentioning all these other prospects like Brown, Hyman and Zaitsev. Granlund, Baertshi and Stecher cancels those 3 out, big time! The are all the same age, with the exception of Zaitsev and Stecher as Zaitsev is 3 years older. Give it up, you suck.