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Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 9:50 pm Carney is the correct man for the job.

Says everyone wearing beer goggles.

I can’t believe Donny let his new riding go Green.

Gotta say that the Conservatives did better than I thought they would considering that they ran their campaign against a ghost which was once JT...

And when they finally realized that the ghost wasn't running for re election they turned to trying to make Carney the boogey man....

Has their been a worse ad than the Conservative ad with 2 old men playing golf?

The Party never did tell us why we should vote for it and Poilievre, and I would suspect that much of the vote they did receive were votes against the Liberals and not because they thought their guy was the better candidate...

Heck, my Conservative candidate who won handidly refused to participate in any debates and only had townhalls amongst supporters...

Poilievre, whose accomplished nothing in his time in Federal Politics but was somehow thought to be the best the Party had to offer wants to stay on as leader in spite of losing his own seat...

Given how we dealt with Sheer and O'Toole after they lost elections we thought they should have won I can't see that happening in the long term..

As a Party the Conservatives need to find their own version of a Mark Carney, someone schooled in life outside of politics and who has a reputation amongst world leaders ...

At least that is what I would like to see as a lifelong Conservative who bailed on the Party this election and went to the dark side and voted Liberal...

They definitely did run the wrong campaign.

I disagree that you say there were no reasons given to vote for the Conservatives. Their platform was reason. Carney poached a bunch of it. Now, if he walks back his campaign promises, anyone who voted Liberal for similar reasons to your own will be looking like gullible fools.

Anyone pointing to the 20+ point lead that the Conservatives held and saying Pollievre lost that lead, that fails to understand that it was not so much a Tory lead as it was a Trudeau-Liberal deficit. Switching to Carney was brilliant political gamesmanship as it brought disaffected Liberal voters back into the fold.

The Libs also gained massively from the NDP collapse. Which is unsurprising seeing as the Liberals took their platform and policies (particularly socially) even further left than the NDP under Trudeau’s tenure.

I agree that someone with more real world experience than PP would be a better choice. However, Carney’s resume means exactly jack shit if he doesn’t change the course of Liberal social and economic policies and financial management.

Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 9:49 am They definitely did run the wrong campaign.

I disagree that you say there were no reasons given to vote for the Conservatives. Their platform was reason. Carney poached a bunch of it. Now, if he walks back his campaign promises, anyone who voted Liberal for similar reasons to your own will be looking like gullible fools.

Anyone pointing to the 20+ point lead that the Conservatives held and saying Pollievre lost that lead, that fails to understand that it was not so much a Tory lead as it was a Trudeau-Liberal deficit. Switching to Carney was brilliant political gamesmanship as it brought disaffected Liberal voters back into the fold.

The Libs also gained massively from the NDP collapse. Which is unsurprising seeing as the Liberals took their platform and policies (particularly socially) even further left than the NDP under Trudeau’s tenure.

I agree that someone with more real world experience than PP would be a better choice. However, Carney’s resume means exactly jack shit if he doesn’t change the course of Liberal social and economic policies and financial management.

Listening to the responses from around the globe from leaders who know Carney, it seems that we have made the right choice...

Even Jordan Peterson on a Rogan podcast admitted that Carney is the most skilled leader in the Western World to go up against Trump...

As for campaign promises, good policy is good policy and should evolve with the times so I don't look at it as poaching...

But it did seem with Poilievre the more he saw his lead slipping away he responded by offering more and more goodies ala Trudeau including the promise to protect bills that Conservatives had previously pushed to elimate with Poilievres support....

I've never been a Poilievre fan who I saw as a master of slogans, many of which were Trump like while with Carney I just felt comfortable that he understood the issues deeply with the advantage of having been there before...

Now we will see ....

Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 9:49 am They definitely did run the wrong campaign.

Agreed.

Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 9:49 am I disagree that you say there were no reasons given to vote for the Conservatives. Their platform was reason. Carney poached a bunch of it. Now, if he walks back his campaign promises, anyone who voted Liberal for similar reasons to your own will be looking like gullible fools.

What makes you think he is going to walk back his campaign promises? What makes you think PP wouldn't if elected?

Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 9:49 am Anyone pointing to the 20+ point lead that the Conservatives held and saying Pollievre lost that lead, that fails to understand that it was not so much a Tory lead as it was a Trudeau-Liberal deficit. Switching to Carney was brilliant political gamesmanship as it brought disaffected Liberal voters back into the fold.

Pollievre lost the lead. His whole campaign was based on Fuck Trudeau, and Axe the Tax. Carney came in, and made both of those irrelevant. PP did nothing else to react. In fact, he was removed from all Conservative ads going forward, strange right?. He didn't even win his own riding. He wasn't the only reason, but the biggest reason they lost the lead.

Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 9:49 am The Libs also gained massively from the NDP collapse. Which is unsurprising seeing as the Liberals took their platform and policies (particularly socially) even further left than the NDP under Trudeau’s tenure.

Again I'll disagree with this. Strategic voting by Canadians afraid of a PP led Conservative Government was the reason the NDP (and the Bloc) lost so much ground. You only have to look at Quebec for proof.

Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 9:49 am I agree that someone with more real world experience than PP would be a better choice. However, Carney’s resume means exactly jack shit if he doesn’t change the course of Liberal social and economic policies and financial management.

A stump has more real world experience than PP. I sincerely hope the Cons remove him, instead of taking out a duly elected MP from another riding and parachuting him in so he can get a seat in Parliament. We will have to see about Carney's resume I guess... I think he'll do just fine, as most people with that kind of experience tend to learn quickly on the job and can move/pivot quickly and as necessary from missteps if they come. Unlike what we saw with PP's campaign, being unable to pivot or learn in any meaningful way.

rikster wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 10:32 am

Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 9:49 am They definitely did run the wrong campaign.

I disagree that you say there were no reasons given to vote for the Conservatives. Their platform was reason. Carney poached a bunch of it. Now, if he walks back his campaign promises, anyone who voted Liberal for similar reasons to your own will be looking like gullible fools.

Anyone pointing to the 20+ point lead that the Conservatives held and saying Pollievre lost that lead, that fails to understand that it was not so much a Tory lead as it was a Trudeau-Liberal deficit. Switching to Carney was brilliant political gamesmanship as it brought disaffected Liberal voters back into the fold.

The Libs also gained massively from the NDP collapse. Which is unsurprising seeing as the Liberals took their platform and policies (particularly socially) even further left than the NDP under Trudeau’s tenure.

I agree that someone with more real world experience than PP would be a better choice. However, Carney’s resume means exactly jack shit if he doesn’t change the course of Liberal social and economic policies and financial management.

Listening to the responses from around the globe from leaders who know Carney, it seems that we have made the right choice...

Even Jordan Peterson on a Rogan podcast admitted that Carney is the most skilled leader in the Western World to go up against Trump...

As for campaign promises, good policy is good policy and should evolve with the times so I don't look at it as poaching...

I agree regarding good policy being good policy. However, few of the Trudeau-Liberal's policies were good, most were destructive. Carney was an advisor to that government, and he has kept many of those people in his reduced cabinet, albeit with some post shuffles. The policies he brought forward that aligned with some of those that the Conservatives had promoted as opposition and during the campaign, were contrary to the policies of the past 10 years. Carney's political views prior to him officially stepping into the political theatre in more than an advisory capacity are pro green, pro carbon pricing, pro centralized planning, pro elite. He has said that he does not think that the average citizen should have a say in decision making because they actually don't know what is best for themselves.....this is completely contrary to a free democracy, even if there are elements of truth to the statement. Personal autonomy and sovereignty are cornerstones of a free society.

If he increases or creates taxes, while continuing to spend, then clearly he's the wrong man regardless of his resume.

We will indeed see what he does.

If I'm not mistaken, Carney wasn't even a member of the trudeau liberal party til a year or 2 ago that was despised by 90% of Canadians so there's hope.

As a pretty staunch conservative leaning voter I'm relieved we have this guy running the show for the next 4. We are up against an unprecedented attack from our former ally and neighbour and only someone as intelligent and articulate like MCHammer will be able to navigate the minefield of international trade and economics like this guy. I shudder to think what damage that nasally wanker PP would have caused.

Please get rid of that retard Bill Blair the gun thief though. He's a menace

JelloPuddingPop wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 10:37 am

Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 9:49 am I disagree that you say there were no reasons given to vote for the Conservatives. Their platform was reason. Carney poached a bunch of it. Now, if he walks back his campaign promises, anyone who voted Liberal for similar reasons to your own will be looking like gullible fools.

What makes you think he is going to walk back his campaign promises? What makes you think PP wouldn't if elected?

The fact that his personal political views from prior to stepping into politics (officially) are more in line with what we've seen from the last 10 years of Liberal government. Time will tell.

JelloPuddingPop wrote:

Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 9:49 am Anyone pointing to the 20+ point lead that the Conservatives held and saying Pollievre lost that lead, that fails to understand that it was not so much a Tory lead as it was a Trudeau-Liberal deficit. Switching to Carney was brilliant political gamesmanship as it brought disaffected Liberal voters back into the fold.

Pollievre lost the lead. His whole campaign was based on Fuck Trudeau, and Axe the Tax. Carney came in, and made both of those irrelevant. PP did nothing else to react. In fact, he was removed from all Conservative ads going forward, strange right?. He didn't even win his own riding. He wasn't the only reason, but the biggest reason they lost the lead.

What I mean was that I don't think that the Conservatives held a true lead. I think that the lead was nothing more than Liberal (and some NDP) voters who were more afraid of a 4th Trudeau term than they were of a Carney-Conservative government. When Trudeau exited stage left those voters returned to the fold. He was riding the "Fuck Trudeau" wave, and that wave disappeared.

JelloPuddingPop wrote:

Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 9:49 am The Libs also gained massively from the NDP collapse. Which is unsurprising seeing as the Liberals took their platform and policies (particularly socially) even further left than the NDP under Trudeau’s tenure.

Again I'll disagree with this. Strategic voting by Canadians afraid of a PP led Conservative Government was the reason the NDP (and the Bloc) lost so much ground. You only have to look at Quebec for proof.

So the Liberals gained from strategic voting by Canadians afraid of a PP led government? Did those votes come from Conservative voters or disaffected Bloc and NDP? In my conversations few are the people like rikster who vote strictly for the PM (that's an American way of looking at it). Had Carney turfed the inner circle and completely rebuilt it, then perhaps you can assess it that way, but he didn't. He retained and "rehired" incompetent and corrupt individuals.

People who want to say that Canadians were afraid of a PP led Conservative government should look at the election results and see that the Conservatives gained 25 seats, while the Liberals only gained 9.

JelloPuddingPop wrote:

Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 9:49 am I agree that someone with more real world experience than PP would be a better choice. However, Carney’s resume means exactly jack shit if he doesn’t change the course of Liberal social and economic policies and financial management.

A stump has more real world experience than PP. I sincerely hope the Cons remove him, instead of taking out a duly elected MP from another riding and parachuting him in so he can get a seat in Parliament. We will have to see about Carney's resume I guess... I think he'll do just fine, as most people with that kind of experience tend to learn quickly on the job and can move/pivot quickly and as necessary from missteps if they come. Unlike what we saw with PP's campaign, being unable to pivot or learn in any meaningful way.

I won't jump quickly on the ship that wants to mutiny because of an election like this one. The fact is that the Conservatives gained more ground than they have in the previous 3 elections. I think if it were not for Trump that the Liberals likely do not recover some of their own deserters within the electorate. The Liberals likely still form government, but the seat count difference between them and the Conservatives would be closer thereby eliminating the possibility for them to ally with the NDP. At that point the Bloc holds the balance of power, and whichever party can promise the most to Quebec will rule the day.

That being said, I am not a fan of any party parachuting someone in after they lose their spot. Pollievre lost his seat, that's democracy. He can remain a member of the party and run again in 4 years. If they do pull a ripcord for him, then he needs to prove to be more adaptable than he was during this campaign. Pollievre was a well selected adversary for Trudeau, he may not (probably not?) be the right counterpoint for Carney.

If Carney is who he claims to be, and who people like yourself and rik believe, then the Conservatives do need someone with real world experience to be his counterpoint. But that someone also needs to have a temperament that can sit across the table from Carney so that BOTH sides can work collaboratively to represent all of Canada. An attack dog who hurls accusations is not that person.

Cousin Strawberry wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 12:08 pm If I'm not mistaken, Carney wasn't even a member of the trudeau liberal party til a year or 2 ago that was despised by 90% of Canadians so there's hope.

As a pretty staunch conservative leaning voter I'm relieved we have this guy running the show for the next 4. We are up against an unprecedented attack from our former ally and neighbour and only someone as intelligent and articulate like MCHammer will be able to navigate the minefield of international trade and economics like this guy. I shudder to think what damage that nasally wanker PP would have caused.

Please get rid of that retard Bill Blair the gun thief though. He's a menace

Danielle Smith's statement from today sums things up very nicely in regards to what Carney will need to do if he wants to represent all of Canada.

When PP was elected the leader of the Conservatives I did not think they would win the next election as he didn't have (IMO) what it takes to a PM for Canada. I was also a member of the conservatives and after he was elected I quit. PP has the personality of a wet noodle.

As many pointed out he did not change his tactics through the election and that hurt them a lot but they did gain several new ridings which is great. I hope they get a new leader, one that is more rounded without side experiences.

Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 12:25 pm So the Liberals gained from strategic voting by Canadians afraid of a PP led government? Did those votes come from Conservative voters or disaffected Bloc and NDP? In my conversations few are the people like rikster who vote strictly for the PM (that's an American way of looking at it). Had Carney turfed the inner circle and completely rebuilt it, then perhaps you can assess it that way, but he didn't. He retained and "rehired" incompetent and corrupt individuals.

People who want to say that Canadians were afraid of a PP led Conservative government should look at the election results and see that the Conservatives gained 25 seats, while the Liberals only gained 9.

Those who wanted to vote Bloc (or NDP) decided it would be better to vote Liberal to keep the Conservatives out. Just look at Quebec my friend, and go through their voting results compared to previous years. The Bloc was sacrificed, and a Liberal Gov. was confirmed before votes were even completed in the west.

Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 9:49 am If Carney is who he claims to be, and who people like yourself and rik believe, then the Conservatives do need someone with real world experience to be his counterpoint. But that someone also needs to have a temperament that can sit across the table from Carney so that BOTH sides can work collaboratively to represent all of Canada. An attack dog who hurls accusations is not that person.

On this we agree 100%

JelloPuddingPop wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 1:58 pm

Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 12:25 pm So the Liberals gained from strategic voting by Canadians afraid of a PP led government? Did those votes come from Conservative voters or disaffected Bloc and NDP? In my conversations few are the people like rikster who vote strictly for the PM (that's an American way of looking at it). Had Carney turfed the inner circle and completely rebuilt it, then perhaps you can assess it that way, but he didn't. He retained and "rehired" incompetent and corrupt individuals.

People who want to say that Canadians were afraid of a PP led Conservative government should look at the election results and see that the Conservatives gained 25 seats, while the Liberals only gained 9.

Those who wanted to vote Bloc (or NDP) decided it would be better to vote Liberal to keep the Conservatives out. Just look at Quebec my friend, and go through their voting results compared to previous years. The Bloc was sacrificed, and a Liberal Gov. was confirmed before votes were even completed in the west.

So we agree that the Liberals benefited from the losses suffered by the NDP and Bloc. Good.

Interestingly, there were 91 candidates in PP's riding, most of them organised by the Longest Ballot Committee.

Mëds wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 11:06 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 9:50 pm Carney is the correct man for the job.

Says everyone wearing beer goggles.

Sooo... a majority of Canadians, I assume?