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Mëds wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 11:22 am If we are looking for a 1C then it is Pettersson who has to go.

Pretty sure management has tied their horse to Petey as 1C. They wouldn't have paid him what they did if they didn't. If they offload Petey before 1 July, we'll know the marriage is over. Highly unlikely given management's moves to-date since they signed him. If he doesn't make it soon as a 1C, they will be looking for work.

The more pertinent question is who they're looking for to fill the 2C spot.

Lancer wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 11:52 am

Mëds wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 11:22 am If we are looking for a 1C then it is Pettersson who has to go.

Pretty sure management has tied their horse to Petey as 1C. They wouldn't have paid him what they did if they didn't. If they offload Petey before 1 July, we'll know the marriage is over. Highly unlikely given management's moves to-date since they signed him. If he doesn't make it soon as a 1C, they will be looking for work.

The more pertinent question is who they're looking for to fill the 2C spot.

And if they trade Pettersson they now have to find 2 top 6 centres. I still think our draft pick plus grade A prospect will be the price.

They could make like the Blues did with Holloway and try to offer up a contract to pending RFA centres like Petereka, Vilardi, Rossi and McTavish but as you know that could end up gutting a couple 1st rd picks from us. However don’t think any of those teams are in cap trouble to not being able to counter offer.

I agree, it’s going to be the 2025 1st along with a prospect that gets it done. But boi, we’d end up owning the leagues worst prospect pool for a few years if that happens.

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 12:09 pm They could make like the Blues did with Holloway and try to offer up a contract to pending RFA centres like Petereka, Vilardi, Rossi and McTavish but as you know that could end up gutting a couple 1st rd picks from us. However don’t think any of those teams are in cap trouble to not being able to counter offer.

I agree, it’s going to be the 2025 1st along with a prospect that gets it done. But boi, we’d end up owning the leagues worst prospect pool for a few years if that happens.

Offer sheets are a desperation move IMO. Even if the club matches, it just creates bad blood.

I agree that it will likely take that 1st and a prospect - and which one does management let go? Willander is likely not on the table. Not sure Mancini has enough brand recognition to move the needle. D-Petey, though...

Then again, would Dach cost that much, given his history? A riskier bet, but he may still pan out as a 2C.

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 12:01 pm

Lancer wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 11:52 am

Mëds wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 11:22 am If we are looking for a 1C then it is Pettersson who has to go.

Pretty sure management has tied their horse to Petey as 1C. They wouldn't have paid him what they did if they didn't. If they offload Petey before 1 July, we'll know the marriage is over. Highly unlikely given management's moves to-date since they signed him. If he doesn't make it soon as a 1C, they will be looking for work.

The more pertinent question is who they're looking for to fill the 2C spot.

And if they trade Pettersson they now have to find 2 top 6 centres. I still think our draft pick plus grade A prospect will be the price.

If they trade Pettersson they would be trading him for another centre. So they would still be looking for a top-6 center, but they would very likely have more cap room in which to do so, and ideally they would NOT be as hard pressed to find wingers who could find chemistry with their new center.

Pettersson has been playing like an elite 3C for most of this season. There have been flashes of that 1C or 2C, but they have been only that.

I want this team to win. Always have. If Pettersson is our 1C going forward then this team needs major surgery to support him. Which is the reversal of the true 1C situation in that the 1C is good enough to support his linemates and turn them into top-6 scorers. We cannot be continually having to worry about the very particular type of player needed to make our $11.6M 1C actually worth his contract. Just not the way you build successfully. The contract was a mistake. Admit it, take the hit, and try to do it right next time.....or you can double down and continually try and patch the hull of a ship by moving an insufficient number of plugs from leak to leak.

Our draft pick + a prospect may be the price for a 1C. And they should pay it. But they should still trade Pettersson for multiple reasons.

JelloPuddingPop wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 8:16 am

Mëds wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 12:18 am What I've seen of Lekkermaki is a guy who a legit 1C could turn into a 25G scorer even next year. Think a Joe Thornton type, big puck controller with silky mitts for passing to finishers. Sushi probably has the skill to be a 30 or 40 goal guy in a few years with such a centerman. Pettersson is not that centerman.

I like this viewpoint - and I would love to see a big, skilled puck distributing centre be brought in. But who is that guy? And what would he cost? I don't see any UFAs that fit this mold. Marner certainly is a great passer - but not big. And no Jumbo in the playoffs.

It really seems Van lacks so much depth, that trading from one position, will only weaken it - just moving pieces around instead of solving problems. Trade a D, for a C - D suddenly looks suspect. Trade Cs for Ds, fixed defense, caused a huge hold in the top 6.

Drafting, and keeping prospects would have been a better way to go - but that baby was thrown out with the bathwater. Hopefully Alvin has a bit of magic up his sleeve.

Most successful hockey trades are moving one key position out to acquire a different key position in exchange. Right now our wealth is on the blueline, and we actually have some decent defensive prospects in the system for a change. Barring a blockbuster trade or two that none of us can possibly fathom, next year is not "our year". However, with the right moves (no the unfathomable kind) it could be the start of stepping through the window (again). Hughes should be the only true untouchable on the blueline. I feel like the addition of Mancini, and the emergence of D-Petey, plus Willander and this Kudryavtsev kid, have given us the opportunity to make a move that sends a defenseman out if the return is truly strengthening the top-6 center position.

If we could move Pettersson, a defenseman, and a pick, prospect, and parts, out of town in various moves that allowed us to acquire a 1C via trade, and then somehow convince Marner to sign here, then I think it is worth doing. Maybe the 1C is a a guy like Mason McTavish who still needs another year or two before he becomes that 1.0PPG play driving center, but that's alright, because he's more than what we've got right now, and if you add a Marner to his wing his development should be an easier and quicker thing.

I've been a huge Marner critic for years, but I was super impressed with his play at the 4 Nations, and watching some of his play over the past season and looking at his numbers and deployment, the guy is a player.

Petey’s contract downgrades the return, Mëds. If I’m an inquiring GM, red flags are popping up every - buyer beware. Not sure what you’re expecting for a return on him and what sort of team has the wherewithal to take on such a risk is coming from. I believe he would’ve been traded when they were listening to offers but didn’t because, to put simply, the offers were of a shit level variety that the decision to not trade him was an easy one. The best course of action at this stage is to keep him and cross your fingers.

Anaheim ain’t trading McTavish and Marner doesn’t help our centre position.

The Miller trade wasn’t a good one, they were warned of Chytil’s head health. I hate the trade to be honest as much as I hated the rental trade for Elias Lindholm. The only hope on that trade is Mancini. They should’ve worked harder in getting a better C in return.

Keeping Boeser is gonna bite them, I think he’s as good as gone come July 1st. He will take the hometown discount in Minny. Some team is going to offer stupid money for Suter.

But hey, our defence is better!

If one wants to believe all the rumours, the best time to have moved Pettersson would have been to Carolina before he signed his new deal. May have gotten a couple of nice pieces and still had Miller and room to re-sign Zadorov or Lindholm. Still could have made the Pettersson trade with Pittsburg using our first.

Everything I’d
S now damage control while trying to upgrade.

Agreed not trading Boeser may come back to bite us.

Lancer wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 12:20 pm

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 12:09 pm They could make like the Blues did with Holloway and try to offer up a contract to pending RFA centres like Petereka, Vilardi, Rossi and McTavish but as you know that could end up gutting a couple 1st rd picks from us. However don’t think any of those teams are in cap trouble to not being able to counter offer.

I agree, it’s going to be the 2025 1st along with a prospect that gets it done. But boi, we’d end up owning the leagues worst prospect pool for a few years if that happens.

Offer sheets are a desperation move IMO. Even if the club matches, it just creates bad blood.

I agree that it will likely take that 1st and a prospect - and which one does management let go? Willander is likely not on the table. Not sure Mancini has enough brand recognition to move the needle. D-Petey, though...

Then again, would Dach cost that much, given his history? A riskier bet, but he may still pan out as a 2C.

Who gives a fuck about bad blood?

Holloway and Broberg were brilliant acquisitions. Those are two core pieces. Stupid Oilers got torched.


I see some folks are passing the gas rag back and forth calling Pettersson and Debrusk 3rd line players. Fucking wizards.

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 1:00 pm Petey’s contract downgrades the return, Mëds. If I’m an inquiring GM, red flags are popping up every - buyer beware. Not sure what you’re expecting for a return on him and what sort of team has the wherewithal to take on such a risk is coming from. I believe he would’ve been traded when they were listening to offers but didn’t because, to put simply, the offers were of a shit level variety that the decision to not trade him was an easy one. The best course of action at this stage is to keep him and cross your fingers.

Anaheim ain’t trading McTavish and Marner doesn’t help our centre position.

The Miller trade wasn’t a good one, they were warned of Chytil’s head health. I hate the trade to be honest as much as I hated the rental trade for Elias Lindholm. The only hope on that trade is Mancini. They should’ve worked harder in getting a better C in return.

Keeping Boeser is gonna bite them, I think he’s as good as gone come July 1st. He will take the hometown discount in Minny. Some team is going to offer stupid money for Suter.

But hey, our defence is better!

Yeah, I'm factoring that in my thoughts Chef. It's why I'm trading our 1st and Willander for a 1C.

I'm trading Pettersson and something for a 2C and whatever.

With Miller he controlled the destination, that cannot be forgotten. NMC/NTC's always hurt the trading team's return.

Boeser? What did you want? A 3rd round pick? Sounds like nothing more than that was offered.

Marner helps us if we have a 1C. He does not help us right now with Pettersson as our 1C.

Being a Nuck fan I do not expect anything good to happen in off season and then we make secondary signings and spend all of the 2025/26 season whining and complaining about the off season trades and talking about next year.

It is always about "next year" for Canuck fans.

In regards to doing a offer sheet, do the Canucks even have the necessary compensation draft picks to do one?
In regards to signing Marner, i doubt we'd have the cap space after taking on another top end Center and hopefully reupping Suter.

dangler wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 3:10 pm In regards to doing a offer sheet, do the Canucks even have the necessary compensation draft picks to do one?
In regards to signing Marner, i doubt we'd have the cap space after taking on another top end Center and hopefully reupping Suter.

We would by getting rid of Chytil and trading Demko

2Fingers wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 3:11 pm

dangler wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 3:10 pm In regards to doing a offer sheet, do the Canucks even have the necessary compensation draft picks to do one?
In regards to signing Marner, i doubt we'd have the cap space after taking on another top end Center and hopefully reupping Suter.

We would by getting rid of Chytil and trading Demko

They're both damaged goods

MPete and Mancini is an ok return for Miller. Not really counting on Chytil at this stage. He’s definitely got a problem, not sure how you can play the game at the level and avoid hits. He’s a lemon at this point.