Re-booted SKYO approved pipe dreams and trade ideas

[Picker of Cherries]

Shane Wright = Doug Wickenheiser
After his Regina Pats season of 79-89-81-170 he was selected 1OA then peaked at 78-25-30-55 in his best season in the NHL.
Montreal made the right call on Wright’s draft day, so should the Canucks, hard pass!

[Megaterio Llamas]

Shane Wright = Doug Wickenheiser
After his Regina Pats season of 79-89-81-170 he was selected 1OA then peaked at 78-25-30-55 in his best season in the NHL.
Montreal made the right call on Wright’s draft day, so should the Canucks, hard pass!

He wrecked his knee though, didn't he? And that was when it was fatal.

Seattle's draft picks are regressing, There's something amiss there. They have to do their homework on Wright, and if they believe in him, Willander is probably a fair price imo.

[Todd Bersnoozi]

If S.Wright has another sup-par year, I think his value will take another big hit. Kinda like Hogs21 going for a 3rd rounder; Wright might go for a 2nd rounder.

We have quite a few promising centres in the pipeline now, so I think the need to acquire him isn't that high a priority for our club going forward. Like 3 weeks ago, centre ice was a big hole, now not so much. I don't mind being patient to see how his situation plays out.

[Meds]

Shane Wright = Doug Wickenheiser
After his Regina Pats season of 79-89-81-170 he was selected 1OA then peaked at 78-25-30-55 in his best season in the NHL.
Montreal made the right call on Wright’s draft day, so should the Canucks, hard pass!

Montreal wisely did not spend a 1OA in Wright.

Nobody is suggesting that.

Check out this link…..

http://www.mynhldraft.com/2022-draft/20 ... ts/round-2

People are talking about Lekkerimaki and a 2nd round pick. The names found in that link are 2nd rounders from the 2022 draft. I don’t recognize a single one of them as a regular NHL’er, let alone one that has already shown they can push for a role in the top-6 forward group.

But you “hard pass” away.

[Hockey Widow]

Lane Hutson?? Fraser Minton?? You dont recognize those names?

[Meds]

Haha. I didn’t see Hutson’s name on that list. I scanned it quickly. But the point stands. Hutson is the only one there who you wouldn’t be trading away for a 41+ point RS pivot still on his ELC.

[Cousin Strawberry]

Wright is a distressed asset for the crack so no fucking way we pay anything other than a side of chips.

Maybe Mynio

[Lancer]

Wright is a distressed asset for the crack so no fucking way we pay anything other than a side of chips.

Maybe Mynio

Yup. No need for management to do anything stupid in chasing Wright. If he goes elsewhere, it doesn't change RJ's plan (supposing he has one). If the summer drags on with no resolution and Seattle's asking price goes down, then it may be time to reconsider. Dunno if it needs to be Mynio or a side of chips, but certainly less than 1st round pick or any prospect ahead of Lekkerimaki.

[Cousin Strawberry]

Wright is a distressed asset for the crack so no fucking way we pay anything other than a side of chips.

Maybe Mynio

Yup. No need for management to do anything stupid in chasing Wright. If he goes elsewhere, it doesn't change RJ's plan (supposing he has one). If the summer drags on with no resolution and Seattle's asking price goes down, then it may be time to reconsider. Dunno if it needs to be Mynio or a side of chips, but certainly less than 1st round pick or any prospect ahead of Lekkerimaki.

Lekkermaki straight across seems like a reasonable return given the circumstances for both teams. Both have stalled in their development and need to take a step that may never happen.

The discrepancy is that SW was a 4o/a but that's just the way she goes Ricky....that's just the way she goes. JL is a year younger if you want to recover a little value if you're a crackhead

[UWSaint]

The names found in that link are 2nd rounders from the 2022 draft. I don’t recognize a single one of them as a regular NHL’er, let alone one that has already shown they can push for a role in the top-6 forward group.

This serves as a reminder that (1) second round picks aren't terribly valuable and (2) even those who are valuable take a long time to develop into NHL players. That's also true for some first rounders -- don't write off a 2022 draft pick who hasn't made it yet. To be sure, a slower development is reason to lack draft day optimism, but its not unusual at all for players to take a half a decade before they develop enough to show off their plus skills at the NHL level, and a couple more seasons before they look anything like the player they will ultimately become.

I think often, getting to the NHL too early and without immediate success can change our perception of players like Shane Wright. Some people had "first overall" expectations for him, because for so long that's where he was expected to go. Even the week of the draft, it wasn't clear. Even on the day -- sure there were reports Montreal was looking elsewhere, but I don't think we *knew* for certain.

Shane Wright was not thrust into the league -- after his draft, he played a few games and was returned to junior: where he got injured and lost most of the season. The next year, he got a cup of coffee in the NHL, but he was an AHL rookie. And he put up good numbers there for a 19 year old, including in the playoffs, but it wasn't Second Coming numbers. They were numbers that if he had been projected to go 6th or 7th in the draft and went 4th, you'd think, smart pick.... And the next season, his NHL rookie year, started at Age 20, he had a good year. Again, not knock your socks off, but solid. Last year was his first step back.

And yet this player, not being thrust into the league, having a down season, has scored more points than all but 4 players from his draft class: Slafkovsky, Hutson, Carlsson, and Gauthier. In his underwhelming season, he was still more productive than Liam Ohgren -- a player who I think Canuck fans have reason to be optimistic about (not as a core player, imo, but as a good complementary piece that brings speed and power and some finish).

This post is not to argue Wright is essential to the Canucks. It is to say that his development's not done and his accomplishments to date are by no means an objective failure, and our perceptions of his accomplishments to are wildly skewed by perceptions developed well before the kid was drafted.

[Lancer]

All fair points, Dub. Hell, even late first-round picks are only so valuable - you're more likely to draft a quality middle-six contributor than a star at that point in the draft. For every ten 2nd-round flops, there's one who sticks - just enough to retain some value at that pick range.

As for Wright, I think the pre-draft perceptions most at issue may be Wright's - some entitlement issues perhaps? Putting Wright's development and production into context as you did, I can imagine some managers having a player like him and looking at him with more patience as opposed to considering him a 'distressed asset' to be offloaded. Maybe this is management accepting the expectation gap between them and Wright won't get better, and are cutting their losses before his value sinks further.

[Meds]

Player One has 9 points in 37 games and has shown so far that he doesn’t have the strength to play in the NHL.

Player Two has 78 points in 169 games and can play all ends of the ice.

When you consider that they were taken in the same draft, one is not like the other.

Lekkerimaki for Wright is not a straight up swap. Anyone who thinks it is suffers from severe case of homerism.

[Meds]

When I look at Seattle, I can’t help but think they are a badly managed expansion team. Perhaps some of that is because they came in after Vegas and despite essentially the same expansion rules, they were unable to fleece the rest of the league because GM’s had wised up. Either way, they just don’t look overly solid yet.

With that in mind, and pairing it with Lancer’s observation that they may just be deciding to cut bait before game tanks, it would behoove the Canucks to seriously look at this player and perhaps take advantage of a rival team’s impatience.

[UWSaint]

When I look at Seattle, I can’t help but think they are a badly managed expansion team. Perhaps some of that is because they came in after Vegas and despite essentially the same expansion rules, they were unable to fleece the rest of the league because GM’s had wised up. Either way, they just don’t look overly solid yet.

With that in mind, and pairing it with Lancer’s observation that they may just be deciding to cut bait before game tanks, it would behoove the Canucks to seriously look at this player and perhaps take advantage of a rival team’s impatience.

Seattle's roster just screams of "good players on mediocre teams." You know the type -- they aren't ever leading a cup team. They are perfectly capable -- maybe too good for the roles they'd play as complements on a good team, but not good enough to play the role they are playing for it to be a particularly good team.

Think of it. Their most talented all around players is Beniers. I think his line is their first line center. I love him as a second line center on a team with a true 1C. He's got some offense, sure, but its a very good all around game on top of that. If there's a true 1C on his team, the marginal impact on your offense isn't as great if Beniers has to match up or take D-zone draws. Then you've got Stephenson -- sure, his offense is okay for a second line center, but because he's mediocre defensively (except for a decent counter attack), you have to play you 1C with a more defensive role or you get burned. Of course you could shift him to wing more (where he's played before) and, say, give second line duties to someone with a future (like, I don't know, Shane Wright) because proven-not-good-enough is not better than unproven-potential-currently-not-good-enough when you are a team that needs to develop.

Dunn's a nice defensemen -- can't believe he wasn't protected at the expansion draft -- but if he's your number 1, that's not a good number 1. Again, good player, just with the wrong job. Its just playing above station. Montour, same, playing above station. There's a role for him on a good team, but its not leading his team in ice time. (He and Dunn are pretty close there).

For many years they've had good seasons from guys like McCann and Eberle. They are good offensive players, but not great ones. (Even the season McCann scored 40 (am I making that up?), he didn't seem *great*). They are good scorers, not elite, and they don't have the kinds of non-scoring attributes where there level of offense makes sense as a first liner on a competitive team. And if they aren't go to guys offensively, they don't get the production that they get in more go-to roles. Again, they are good players, but the *home* for them in this league is as offensive players on never-better-than-bubble playoff teams.

What's more, Seattle seems static. They are a team in need of a transformational talent -- Wright could have been (could be?) that, but it hasn't happened. Could it be O'Brien? Alternatively, they really need to start building from the back end out (and they drafted Chase Reid, good start).

[Madcombinepilot]

I think I would do Lekker and a 2nd for Wright.

I don’t think Lekker has what it takes to make it, and even as a reclamation project, write is a better asset. (And Canadian)