Ownership and Management (These fuckin' guys™)

[Carl Yagro]

^Agree.

I always give more credence to guys inheriting empty cupboards and building out a core. Even if you don't particularly like their core, it makes the incoming GM's job much easier.

That's why, unlike some people, I give props to Burke/Nonis and Benning. I don't find everything they've done to be an unforgivable sin. ie. drafting Patrick White or Olli Juolevi and instead, lavishing heaps of praise on Gillis and JR simply for getting some band-aids to slap onto an existing core.

Bit extreme in either case.

But it really is hard to believe guys with that many rings can suddenly turn into TFGs and destroy a team so quickly.

[Cousin Strawberry]

How much was due to Rutherford though? In Carolina he won one cup with a desperate and driven Eric Staal/ Rod Brindamour down the middle while in pitt it was Crosby/Malkin/ Latang.

I do think he was probably more effective working outside of the scrutiny he's experiencing innvan plus his energy at 55 and 65 was probably higher than now at 80 or whatever. He's aging out

[Nuckertuzzi]

There is a reason Benning lasted 7 years. Aquaman found someone he could pull the strings on with no pushback and take all the bullets from media/fans. He was clearly loathed to let him go because it's hard to find another puppet like that. Scary to think that's what he's looking for again, but wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Let's just hope the KA interview is simply due diligence. Nothing wrong with interviewing as many candidates as possible. In fact, the more the better.

[Nuckertuzzi]

I kinda feel sorry for JR. 80 y.o. people should not have to deal with the type of hate and scrutiny he's facing and instead reflect on his life with fulfillment and enjoy his twilight years peacefully.

It's the bed Sleepy Jim made though and so he's having a rough time sleeping in it. Just hope he can go quietly into the night after the draft.

[donlever]

Brisebois and Nill make 3.5 mill + or -.

Lower tier GM's 1.5 ish.

POHO's who GM a bit more.

Let's put JR in the middle and call it 2.5

He's been here 5 years.

He's driven the team into the dirt and we are a laughing stock where agents for players, coaches and GM's are said to have us on a no go list.

Fuck him and the horse he rode in on.

Zero empathy.

You took the job.

Do the fucking job.


Edit....

Elliotte on Canucks GM search bombshell:

I'm starting to hear there's 2-3 lists. There's a Rutherford list, there's an ownership list and there might be another one.

Lol

Fml

[Nuckertuzzi]

Yeah, hard to argue with ya. He just never should've taken the job at his age. And worse, he should never have had it offered to him by the clowns owning the outfit.

And now he's left twisting in the wind for these dickless wonders.

[Carl Yagro]

Wouldn't surprise me if they made Allvin give them the 3rd list to find his own replacement

...like asking a failing student to complete his homework before he flunks out.

[Carl Yagro]

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/seraval ... fiery-rant

Canucks fans might not always agree with or even like him very much, but Seravalli is now also questioning JR as we have... and I have to say, it's time the hockey world takes some shots at this toxic old man.

At this stage, his senile brain and penchant to spew lies and nonsense that he actually believes himself... makes him more suitable to be the President of the United States than a hockey executive.

This geezer ain't going anywhere and he ain't leaving those "GM" puppet strings alone...

[Cousin Strawberry]

Elliotte on Canucks GM search bombshell:

I'm starting to hear there's 2-3 lists. There's a Rutherford list, there's an ownership list and there might be another one.

Lol

Fml

What the fuck

[Topper]

The three Lists

Rutherford's list - in crayon on urine stained absorbent pads includes only those who have worked for him before, asterisks beside those he's hired multiple times

Owner's List - on the back of a wine stained steakhouse menu, names selected from the restaurant reservation list, pen borrowed from a busty waitress.

Stan Smyl's List - professionally bound volume with gilded edge page and gold leaf lettered cover, contains one name in large Times Roman bold font. Repeated again with contact information in the header and footer of the page.

[Cousin Strawberry]

Stan Smyl's List - professionally bound volume with gilded edge page and gold leaf lettered cover, contains one name in large Times Roman bold font. Repeated again with contact information in the header and footer of the page.

[Hockey Widow]

JR has to give the appearance that he is doing his due diligence. If we have learned anything about these owners it is this. They always have a replacement in mind before they ax someone. I can almost be sure that the owners already have JR's replacement lined up. They will let him float in the wind before they strike. They may even let him announce the hire but I can guarantee you they are talking behind his back. Nothing is ever straight forward and up front with these guys.

Right from the moment they took the team every GM and coach change has been handled the same way. Replacements leaked before people fired. At least Allvin was given the dignity of be sacked right away before names started floating around. But even his dismissal was loudly rumoured before the season ended. For JR to say he had not officially made-up his mind until noon the day before stinks since Allvin's dismissal was already leaked to a Swedish newspaper.

Allvin should have been let go at the same time as the Hughes trade. How to cut off a guy's balls taking the biggest trade in franchise history off of his hands.

what I'm hearing: Owners want an experienced guy who has done a few management jobs and is ready to eventually step into POHO. Rutherford wants someone familiar and maybe younger to mentor until the end of this upcoming season.

Owners don't think the rebuild should take as long as JR keeps saying so they are looking for someone to come in, make a few bold moves and rebuild over. Don't believe the hype that they are fully on board. They will want some who comes in and says, ya, with this team and a couple of right moves we can be a playoff team again next season. Whoever tells them that will get the job. Unless JR can convince them otherwise.

TFG

[Nuckertuzzi]

Owners don't think the rebuild should take as long as JR keeps saying so they are looking for someone to come in, make a few bold moves and rebuild over. Don't believe the hype that they are fully on board. They will want some who comes in and says, ya, with this team and a couple of right moves we can be a playoff team again next season. Whoever tells them that will get the job. Unless JR can convince them otherwise.

Here we fuckin' go again. This is pretty much in line with everything we've come to know about these jackasses. We should be smart enough not to believe otherwise.

You'd think 3 playoff appearances in 15 years would give them a god damn clue. But nah, let's keep walking it back over and over again until it works, because you know it's bound to eventually.

The perpetual failure looks on them and I'd love for it to continue forever if we weren't the ones that have to suffer for it.

Revolt!! What the hell else can we do to chase these fuckers out??

[UWSaint]

There is a reason Benning lasted 7 years. Aquaman found someone he could pull the strings on with no pushback and take all the bullets from media/fans. He was clearly loathed to let him go because it's hard to find another puppet like that. Scary to think that's what he's looking for again, but wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Let's just hope the KA interview is simply due diligence. Nothing wrong with interviewing as many candidates as possible. In fact, the more the better.

If JR didn't start as a puppet, it seems pretty clear that he's being micromanaged now (I've talked to FA more in the past few months than the first 4 years....). Owners really need to resist this temptation -- if a guy is bad enough where you think you need to micromanage his work, then fire him.

That's not to say that owners shouldn't be involved in the GM hiring process. It is people that you trust, whose vision you buy (or are compatible with yours), that allows owners and execs to have the confidence that they don't need to micromanage what's next. Once they are there, you let them fulfill that mission. If you don't like how its going, you don't make the hockey decisions, you let the GM's boss know its not going well and leave it to the President to determine whether to work with the GM or can him, all the while evaluating the President's performance.

This structure doesn't prevent problems that come from ownership from adopting a bad vision for the organization or other bad decisions that are rightly in their purview. But it does prevent the problem of details being performed by details owner should have guys for. An owner wouldn't pretend that he's the solution to the Canucks goaltending issues....

I don't know how much FA pulled Benning's strings -- did he force the OEL deal? Perhaps structurally by not firing him but having him on an obviously short leash, but did he say "get this guy"?

I imagine Benning was hired on a retool platform; I don't think he was forced into that. I think he sold "surround the Sedins with something and use our current assets to backfill guys that would have been drafted if Gillis hadn't starved the system." (And I suspect that's what FA wanted to hear, and if Trev didn't, it was Trev's strings being pulled by hiring Benning). I suspect there may have been one micromanaging limit put on him from the start -- don't trade the Sedins, because as the owner, I think it will cost us far more goodwill (and future goodwill) to trade them away. I want their jerseys hanging up there as the only Canucks retired jerseys worn by players who never wore another NHL jersey.

It isn't hard to imagine that Benning sold a 5 year "plan" when hired. Going into year 5, Benning made a move that really only made total sense in a world where he believed (whether told or just had the sense) that it was playoffs or get fired, a world where the time horizon was no longer "future." (That's the Miller trade). He survived past a terrible year 6 (All Canada) because of the unusual conditions (an unearned grace), but again had the "deliver of else" expectation heading into year 7. That's when Benning gets OEL -- again, a move that only made sense in a world where the GM's job depended entirely on the upcoming season's performance. Because the Canucks only needed to wait one more year to clear $13M (I think) off their books in a flat cap world and be as well positioned as any in the league the following offseason. The move is a flop, the other major decision that offseason (give Greene another run) was a flop, Benning is terminated.

[JelloPuddingPop]

Shane Doan? Not sure for GM, or other position. But still strange. He never seemed that bright when listening to his interviews.

Am I missing something here?