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[5thhorseman]

If that’s what you took from my post you’re not as smart as you want us to think.

I had a similar take as Per but didn't comment. Your suggestions did have a socialist flavour to them.

It's okay though. We won't force you out of the closet

[JelloPuddingPop]

Unless Mëds doesn't understand the meaning of Government Regulation?

[Per]

Sweden and Canada are extremely similar in many ways, but I’m intrigued by some of the differences.

If I understand it correctly, between 90 and 94% of Canadian forest land is publicly owned. That's astonishing.
In Sweden that’s just 22%. Instead 47% is owned by individuals, usually been in the family for many generations. 23% is owned by private companies, mainly forestry related, and 8% by ”others”. The latter group includes the Swedish Lutheran church, which owns nearly 2% of Sweden’s forests.

I personally own 195 ha of woodland. My grandfather owned a sawmill and acquired a lot of forest to ensure a steady supply of lumber. Most of it followed the mill that was taken over by my uncle when my grandfather retired, so my cousins own a lot more, but some trickled down to me through my father. 22 ha are near Umeå where I grew up. As the city expands, I may end up clearcutting some of it and selling it off in parcels for home construction. The city has announced a new residential area that will end just 100 m from this forest and which will have bus stops, daycare and a supermarket. So this land could end up being rather attractive for people who want to build their own home on the outskirts of the city and still have access to conveniences.

The other 173 ha is further inland, some 170 km from Umeå, more in the wilderness. I’ve sold of lumber from it a couple of times. Done the replanting myself. When I was younger my dad and I did it. After he died I’ve brought along one of my daughters. Pretty large part of it was replanted some 35 years ago, so I should probably bring someone in to thin it within a few years. The trees grow slowly in the mountains, so you usually do one thinning after 40 years, another after 80 and then clearcut when the trees are 100-120 years old. The first time you thin it the trees can basically just be used for pulp, so it doesn’t pay as well, but the second thinning and the final clearcut brings in good money. Bit it’s a long term business. The trees I’ve planted will mainly benefit my great grandchildren.

[5thhorseman]

So Per, was all that land sold by the government to individuals or was it acquired through homesteading or rights asserted some other way?

[Topper]

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[Topper]

Sweden and Canada are extremely similar in many ways, but I’m intrigued by some of the differences.

If I understand it correctly, between 90 and 94% of Canadian forest land is publicly owned. That's astonishing.
In Sweden that’s just 22%. Instead 47% is owned by individuals, usually been in the family for many generations. 23% is owned by private companies, mainly forestry related, and 8% by ”others”. The latter group includes the Swedish Lutheran church, which owns nearly 2% of Sweden’s forests.

I personally own 195 ha of woodland. My grandfather owned a sawmill and acquired a lot of forest to ensure a steady supply of lumber. Most of it followed the mill that was taken over by my uncle when my grandfather retired, so my cousins own a lot more, but some trickled down to me through my father. 22 ha are near Umeå where I grew up. As the city expands, I may end up clearcutting some of it and selling it off in parcels for home construction. The city has announced a new residential area that will end just 100 m from this forest and which will have bus stops, daycare and a supermarket. So this land could end up being rather attractive for people who want to build their own home on the outskirts of the city and still have access to conveniences.

The other 173 ha is further inland, some 170 km from Umeå, more in the wilderness. I’ve sold of lumber from it a couple of times. Done the replanting myself. When I was younger my dad and I did it. After he died I’ve brought along one of my daughters. Pretty large part of it was replanted some 35 years ago, so I should probably bring someone in to thin it within a few years. The trees grow slowly in the mountains, so you usually do one thinning after 40 years, another after 80 and then clearcut when the trees are 100-120 years old. The first time you thin it the trees can basically just be used for pulp, so it doesn’t pay as well, but the second thinning and the final clearcut brings in good money. Bit it’s a long term business. The trees I’ve planted will mainly benefit my great grandchildren.

What do you own when you own land?

In Canada it is surface rights.

All that Crown Land and Private Land can still have mineral, timber, water, grazing, trapping, Rights sold or rented by the Government.

[donlever]

What do you own when you own land?

In various BC locales less than you did 12 months ago.

[Topper]

What do you own when you own land?

In various BC locales less than you did 12 months ago.

I was going to say in another thread that maybe the Aqualungs are dealing with the wrong governments and need to look at their special pregame ceremonies for inspiration.

[Megaterio Llamas]

The top beers of the late 60s in Vancouver BC (as I recall).











*Blue wasn't established yet, and Canadian was considered an eastern beer. Beer was heavily regional back then; these were not popular, or even sold in the east.

[Cousin Strawberry]

What do you own when you own land?

In various BC locales less than you did 12 months ago.

I was going to say in another thread that maybe the Aqualungs are dealing with the wrong governments and need to look at their special pregame ceremonies for inspiration.

Those folks are all about "partnerships" where you bring the investment capital while they "endorse" your participation

[Per]

So Per, was all that land sold by the government to individuals or was it acquired through homesteading or rights asserted some other way?

The people were there long before the government. People have been living in Sweden for more than 10,000 years. We’ve only had a government for less then a thousand. Once there was a government they just took note of who lived where and who owned what. Rights were asserted by having lived on the land for generations.

Sweden was never a feodal state like in continental Europe. Our farmers were free men who owned their soil, and usually some forest as well. But there was also a lot of wilderness, so the publicly owned forests are basically the areas where noone lived.

Unfortunately the Sami, who were nomadic, got screwed over. A lot of publicly owned land up north probably should belong to the Sami.
They have the right to have their reindeer graze and they have hunting and fishing rights for a lot of the public land. Typically hunting and fishing rights are reserved for the landowner. So imho it would seem that the government indirectly admits that those areas are Sami land.

Some land was handed out though. There were huge forested areas in central Sweden, and in the 17th century the government wanted to turn this into farmland. Finns practiced slash and burn farming, and back then Finland was part of Sweden. So the government gave away land to Finns and gave them fifteen tax free years if they would settle there and farm the land. Unfortunately they had problems attracting enough people, so in the end they started rounding up people in Finland and forcibly move then to Sweden. They still got farmsteads and 15 tax free years though. But therefor large part of the population in the provinces Dalecarlia and Värmland have Finnish roots. Later in the 18th century they did something similar way up north, granting land rights to people from southern Sweden to help populate the wast empty wilderness. It didn’t quite work out. The climate isn’t great for farming in the mountains up north, so it is still very sparsely populated. Has led to some conflicts though as villagers up north get angry when they find reindeer grazing in their garden, while the Sami maintain they have the right of the land.