US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond

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Topper wrote: Mon Jan 26, 2026 5:41 pm
Per wrote: Sun Jan 25, 2026 12:21 pm So, the question is: would you hide Anne Frank in your attic or turn her over to ICE?

https://youtube.com/shorts/D37BqP37L9M? ... Rty24L-OEI
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I had a similar convo at work last night explaining to a coworker that ICE removing illegal immigrants is nothing the same as Nazis arresting and (eventually) killing their own German citizens simply because of their genetic history.

People seem to forget that ICE existed years before Trump’s current term, and that one’s immigration status is not dependent upon skin colour or creed.
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Mëds wrote: Mon Jan 26, 2026 5:49 pm People seem to forget that ICE existed years before Trump’s current term, and that one’s immigration status is not dependent upon skin colour or creed.
Sure, and if they were used as intended, to apprehend criminal immigrants, and leave everyone else alone, I think most people wouldn't mind.

But now they are entering schools, homes and work places without a search warrant, harassing anyone who looks or sounds like a Latino, kidnapping children and shooting US citizens to death in a seemingly random fashion.

But I don't really think it's really about race. I think the main idea is to provoke people and incite riots in blue states, so that Trump can then use the insurrection act and send in troops in time for the mid term elections.

If it were about immigrants they should focus on Texas and Florida, that are the two states with the highest number of undocumented immigrants.
Not Minnesota or Maine. That's ludicrous. So it's not about immigrants. It is about the mid terms.
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Per wrote: Tue Jan 27, 2026 7:40 am
Mëds wrote: Mon Jan 26, 2026 5:49 pm People seem to forget that ICE existed years before Trump’s current term, and that one’s immigration status is not dependent upon skin colour or creed.
Sure, and if they were used as intended, to apprehend criminal immigrants, and leave everyone else alone, I think most people wouldn't mind.

But now they are entering schools, homes and work places without a search warrant, harassing anyone who looks or sounds like a Latino, kidnapping children and shooting US citizens to death in a seemingly random fashion.

But I don't really think it's really about race. I think the main idea is to provoke people and incite riots in blue states, so that Trump can then use the insurrection act and send in troops in time for the mid term elections.

If it were about immigrants they should focus on Texas and Florida, that are the two states with the highest number of undocumented immigrants.
Not Minnesota or Maine. That's ludicrous. So it's not about immigrants. It is about the mid terms.
Exactly.
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Doc’s old favourite, Jonathan Pie, can always be trusted to say it like it is:

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Per wrote: Tue Jan 27, 2026 7:40 am
Mëds wrote: Mon Jan 26, 2026 5:49 pm People seem to forget that ICE existed years before Trump’s current term, and that one’s immigration status is not dependent upon skin colour or creed.
Sure, and if they were used as intended, to apprehend criminal immigrants, and leave everyone else alone, I think most people wouldn't mind.

But now they are entering schools, homes and work places without a search warrant, harassing anyone who looks or sounds like a Latino, kidnapping children and shooting US citizens to death in a seemingly random fashion.

But I don't really think it's really about race. I think the main idea is to provoke people and incite riots in blue states, so that Trump can then use the insurrection act and send in troops in time for the mid term elections.

If it were about immigrants they should focus on Texas and Florida, that are the two states with the highest number of undocumented immigrants.
Not Minnesota or Maine. That's ludicrous. So it's not about immigrants. It is about the mid terms.
They are intended to apprehend "illegal immigrants", preexisting criminal record not withstanding. Illegal is illegal.

Not saying I agree with their tactics. I believe that they should be uniformed and having to prevent a badge. Training should be longer.

You're making that statement based upon headlines. Both Florida and Texas have laws that require local law enforcement to support and operate with ICE. Operations there fly under the radar because they are not being publicly opposed by lunatic governors (Walz) who threaten to activate the National Guard to oppose the Federal agency.

However, also to your point, there are people in both of those states decrying the operation of ICE, calling it "un-American".
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ICE and border patrol should be able to do their job efficiently, with or without 'local support'.

Instead, they are given a daily quota (3000 detentions) that they are pressured to meet, so they are going after anyone they can.

They're advertised as deporting the "worst of the worst" - but instead, wait in courtroom hallways for people going to their immigration hearings (one example). They are at the point of going 'door to door' without the proper warrants to grab who they can. They detain citizens. They carry out 'military-style' raids on apartment buildings.

As for the other (red) states - are they using the same tactics? Hard to say, since the media shows us what they want to show us. (Texas and California lead the charts in total arrests, TX and FL lead in arrests per capita)

Personally, I think that local law enforcement should help with immigration WHEN it crosses their regular duties. It's not their job to enforce federal laws. They have enough to do locally.

In the end, this all goes back to the main issue of "immigration" - do we want immigrants to come into our country/countries? Do we want to provide a legal path to citizenship (DACA program for example) - or just expel them all at any cost?

Do we want to deter asylum seekers by threatening them with deportation to another country or continent where they could be tortured?

Why was the DHS/ICE budget so dramatically increased in the last spending bill? More arrests, more prisons, more flights?

This is such a 'big story' issue, and sadly, I feel the people in charge currently only have one thought - get them all out, as fast as possible - law-abiding, criminals, people on visas - all of them. (well except for South Africans, they're apparently a-ok).
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need money to by Jimmy Pattison's old unused warehouse.
Over the Internet, you can pretend to be anyone or anything.

I'm amazed that so many people choose to be complete twats.
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Cornuck wrote: Tue Jan 27, 2026 11:29 am ICE and border patrol should be able to do their job efficiently, with or without 'local support'.

Instead, they are given a daily quota (3000 detentions) that they are pressured to meet, so they are going after anyone they can.
I was unaware of the quota.
Personally, I think that local law enforcement should help with immigration WHEN it crosses their regular duties. It's not their job to enforce federal laws. They have enough to do locally.
To tie this point of yours to your last (Lever'd by me) regarding the increased budget.....

I think budget should be allocated towards local law enforcement in areas where ICE is operating. Let the local law enforcement conduct some of these apprehensions, it might go over better? Certainly utilize them prior to the operation for background checks and confirmation that the person they are wanting to arrest and deport actually fits the criteria, and if they are a criminal that would warrant a more forceful method of apprehending.
In the end, this all goes back to the main issue of "immigration" - do we want immigrants to come into our country/countries? Do we want to provide a legal path to citizenship (DACA program for example) - or just expel them all at any cost?
Is there not already a legal path to citizenship?
Do we want to deter asylum seekers by threatening them with deportation to another country or continent where they could be tortured?
My understanding is that there is a proper process for asylum seekers that legalizes their residency. Has that been changed?
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Is there not already a legal path to citizenship?
Of course, there are - BUT - when ICE agent show up in the courts when people are going to their scheduled immigration court hearings, and arresting them - that's a problem.

Many people were given visas and admitted into the country - for example, Afghans that helped with the war in Afghanistan. Their visas have been revoked. Haitian visas have been revoked. etc

DACA was a policy to let young children brought into the country by their parents, who are now adults, stay and get a path to citizenship. Republicans (especially the trump administration) have done everything they can to shut it down.
My understanding is that there is a proper process for asylum seekers that legalizes their residency. Has that been changed?
Exactly - anyone can enter a border crossing and claim asylum and then they are legally in the country as they await their hearing. Of course, the system is overwhelmed and extremely slow. But they have been deported in mass numbers (170,000 last year) under this administration. There is also some people who think trump assumes 'asylum seekers' are from 'mental asylums' - but that's another story.

So the bottom line is that there are systems in place, there are reasons why people come to the US, and the current administration is doing all they can to make it as hard as possible (unless you're from South Africa)
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The US saw net negative migration in 2025 for the first time in 50 years.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 175499007/

The population is aging and the birth rate has already dropped below the replacement level of 2.1, so where are the taxpayers going to come from?
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Up till Jan 2025 the vast majority of detainees held by ICE were criminals or people suspected of criminal activity.

That month something changed, and now the majority of detainees are upright hard working people with no charges or convictions to their name.
So when they talk about "the worst of the worst" they probably refer to the people they are recruiting.

This graph compiled by the extreme left wing rag known as The Financial Times, using data from ICE. :look:


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https://www.ft.com/content/6642d7c7-d62 ... SfnJqhS9RQ
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