Canucks News N Notes 25-26

[donlever]

I have a Ukrainian/Polish mom and hers was good then my sister made it for me until she passed away. Now my wife makes it and follows what my sister told her to do.

Had a Uke Baba in the family chain.

Straight from the old country.

The perogies (they called them varenky (sp) or petehe (sp)) and cabbage rolls (holusti (sp)) were phenomenal.

[Carl Yagro]

Homemade or store bought.

Made it myself. Nothing I would call authentic though.

Got me some air fried ribs, brusell sprouts, mushrooms and carrots.

Fuck y'all soup eating mouth breathers...

Dude told me it's Cream of Wheat for a week from Mrs. Chef due to his Halloween candy infidelities.

Oh.

Hockey.

Right.

Go Petey go!!

Yuck. Mr. I'm so freakin' healthy... no oil air-fried, veggies... I'm so well off, I live in a mansion on the hills and eat real unprocessed foods. Uh, yeah, I breathe through my nostrils when I remember not to mouth breathe... so yeah, suck it you, reprobates.

Man, I hope all that fiber gives you a 3-day bender of painful constipation

brusell? <- Hey, Mëds, get on this!

Think Dude can work the microwave to heat up his instant Cream O' Wheat?

Oh ok, back to hokey, eh...

[2Fingers]

I have a Ukrainian/Polish mom and hers was good then my sister made it for me until she passed away. Now my wife makes it and follows what my sister told her to do.

Had a Uke Baba in the family chain.

Straight from the old country.

The perogies (they called them varenky (sp) or petehe (sp)) and cabbage rolls (holusti (sp)) were phenomenal.

Same here, lover perogies but hate cabbage rolls.

[Cousin Strawberry]

Try swedish cabbage rolls. They aren't gross like the Uke ones with tomato pastie crap they're cooked with syrup and are wicked good

[Megaterio Llamas]

I have a Ukrainian/Polish mom and hers was good then my sister made it for me until she passed away. Now my wife makes it and follows what my sister told her to do.

Had a Uke Baba in the family chain.

Straight from the old country.

The perogies (they called them varenky (sp) or petehe (sp)) and cabbage rolls (holusti (sp)) were phenomenal.

Same here, lover perogies but hate cabbage rolls.

I like both actually

[donlever]

Yeah these cabbage rolls were not tomato pasty at all.

This was like learned in the 1920's recipes.

They were mint.

And bite me Hank.

[Carl Yagro]

Heh heh...

Swedish cabbage rolls better? C'mon, man... Imma giving you Swedish eye rolls

[donlever]

Not sure he's talking about food actually....

[Carl Yagro]

Ah, yes... when you're out of papers, you gotta resort to anything you can find.

Smokin' a big ol' fat Swedish cabbage roll..

[donlever]

...and then there are his Swedish meatballs.

[Meds]

Homemade or store bought.

Made it myself. Nothing I would call authentic though.

Got me some air fried ribs, brusell sprouts, mushrooms and carrots.

Fuck y'all soup eating mouth breathers...

Dude told me it's Cream of Wheat for a week from Mrs. Chef due to his Halloween candy infidelities.

Oh.

Hockey.

Right.

Go Petey go!!

Yuck. Mr. I'm so freakin' healthy... no oil air-fried, veggies... I'm so well off, I live in a mansion on the hills and eat real unprocessed foods. Uh, yeah, I breathe through my nostrils when I remember not to mouth breathe... so yeah, suck it you, reprobates.

Man, I hope all that fiber gives you a 3-day bender of painful constipation

brusell? <- Hey, Mëds, get on this!

Think Dude can work the microwave to heat up his instant Cream O' Wheat?

Oh ok, back to hokey, eh...

Sorry Carl, late to the party tonight.

Fucking uppity private islander, living high on the hog and packing away the nutritious goods that us common folk can't afford. I wonder if he talks like he spells.....a drooling moron from the group home who makes Blobcat sound intelligent.

Its fucking BrusSeLS sprouts, Donny!




Dat dere better Carl?

[Meds]

Heh heh...

Swedish cabbage rolls better? C'mon, man... Imma giving you Swedish eye rolls

Only Swedish thing any of us should be wanting to roll with can be found here.....

[Per]

Swedish cabbage rolls and meatballs actually do have a Ukranian connection.

In the late 17th century Sweden was a European superpower and much greater than it is today. Apart from present day Sweden it included Finland, Estonia and parts of Norway, Russia, Latvia, Poland and Germany. As well as the island of Bornholm that today belongs to Denmark.



Now, in 1697 king Carl X of Sweden died and was succeeded by his son Carl XII (both of them often referred to as Charles in English) who was only 14 at the time. Sweden's neighbours saw a chance to take advantage of his youth and inexperience, and by the year 1700, when he was 17, Denmark, Poland and Russia had all declared war on Sweden.

Turned out Carl XII was pretty good at war though. He first attacked Denmark and forced them to sign a peace treaty, then turned to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, which he invaded and installed a new king, Stanislaw, who was loyal to Sweden.
He then turned to Russia and won several major battles, including at Narva, but it's a big fucking country. Peter the Great early on offered to return most of the land he had taken and just keep the area around St Petersburg (which was Swedish previous to this war), but Carl XII refused and pressed on towards Moscow. As everyone who has tried to invade Russia learns though, the vast distances combined with the harsh winters creates logistical problems, especially since the Russians always resort to a scorched earth strategy when retreating. The Swedes were allied with Cossack forces from the Zaporishian Sish and the Cossack Hetmanate, who wanted independence from Russia.

In 1709 the Swedish army lost a major battle at Poltava and the troops retreated south into the Ottoman empire where they sought refuge. The Sultan greeted Carl XII as an honoured guest and let him and his troops stay there. Carl tried to convince the Sultan to join forces with him and crush the Russians once and for all, but the Sultan was hesitant. The Grand Vizier was against it, and also hostile to the Swedes, so there were complicated negotiations back and force. The Swedish army ended up staying there for almost five years. Mostly in present day Ukraine but part of the time they were stationed in Bender, which lies in present day Moldova. In the end the Sultan decided to not go to war against Russia, and the Swedish troops had to march all the way up through Europe back to the Baltic Sea.

But for five years large part of the military leaders in Sweden and a few thousand troops had been living in the Ottoman empire and picked up a number of habits. When they returned to Sweden they brought with them coffee and tobacco and several new exotic dishes, like cabbage rolls and meatballs, that were part of the Turkish cuisine and now became part of Swedish culture. 18th century castles in Sweden typically have an Oriental room which is decorated in Turkish fashion with tapestries, carpets, furniture, water pipes, etc in an Oriental style.

So both the famous Swedish meatballs and our cabbage rolls have a Turkish/Ukranian origin story. As well as our love for coffee.

And the Swedish Royal Library has a copy of the 1710 Ukrainian Constitution which the king was gifted from the Cossack leader Mazepa, who was an ally and who he hung out with during the exile.

Carl XII died while attempting to seize Norway from Denmark in 2018. The war with Russia continued till 1721, and in the end we lost our Baltic assets as well as Ingria (where St Petersburg is today) and parts of Karelia, ie all the striped territory in the map below. We also lost all our possessions in Germany. The last remnant, the city of Stralsund, was lost in 1716, shortly after Carl XII had passed through their on his way back to Sweden.




But hey, we got meatballs, cabbage rolls and coffee, so it wasn't a total waste!

[Lancer]

IIRC, Scandinavians have connections with that neck of the woods since vikings sailed down the Volga on the regular. On the topic of cabbage rolls and Eastern European cuisine, I have to say it's underrated. Surprised the Swedes didn't pick up on Shashlik along the way.

[Chef Boi RD]

I had a mulligatawny soup from Mona’s coffee yesterday, damn it was excellent! BTW, best coffee in Vancouver - Moja’s.