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[Meds]

Same asshole President said for folks to drink bleach or lysol to kill Covid

Mëds probably has jugs of the shit in his ambo in Yellowknife.,

Its "giggle juice" the 7 foot strapping Asian man says as he bounds out of the ambulance with a jug of bear spray, terrorizing innocent street people.

Were you the drunk in the gutter the other day Blobcat??? I mean that sort of accuracy can only be eye witness testimony.

[Cornuck]

Damn... we were actually having a decent discussion...

[rats19]

Damn... we were actually having a decent discussion...

Yah too bad corn…

[Chef Boi RD]

Products of your environment is bullshit, I was exposed to strippers on the regular at very young and I ain’t no sick sex fuck. All the sick sex fuck were always those with strict parents who fought very hard to keep that stuff away from their children. Not my old man, he tossed me into the strippers dressing room to babysit young Chef while the parents boozed in the bar. Naked chicks getting ready to show their wears in front of Chef while Chef is playing with his hot wheels.

[Chef Boi RD]

Trump was in perfect form at the UN I see. What a shit show he is.

[Cornuck]

Products of your environment is bullshit....

Based on a sample size of one.

[Meds]

Damn... we were actually having a decent discussion...

So teasing someone derails it completely?

[Cornuck]

Damn... we were actually having a decent discussion...

So teasing someone derails it completely?

It was the added on comments (since deleted) that detracted from the thread.

[Meds]

Damn... we were actually having a decent discussion...

So teasing someone derails it completely?

It was the added on comments (since deleted) that detracted from the thread.

Ahhh I didn't see those.

[Per]

Trump was in perfect form at the UN I see. What a shit show he is.

Here is a better president at the same UN meeting. I have a lot of respect for Finland's Alexander Stubb, and agree with pretty much everything he says:

https://youtu.be/vkTlUWjB20I?si=zoVqQTogwkRd6jet

Trivia:
Alexander Stubb's father Göran Stubb is at 90 years of age still the head of the European division of NHL Central Scouting and has been since 1983. Pretty impressive. Alexander quit hockey early though and instead pursued golfing. Probably could have played for Toronto.
As that career didn't pan out either, he switched to politics, which worked out better. He has held several cabinet positions, representing the conservative party, and in 2024 he was elected president .

[Per]

The neurodivergent spectrum of disorders is a curious one.

I don't think there is anything more than a genetic component to autism, aspergers, or the like. I have a bit of a theory, and I have no clue where to actually get numbers for it.....

When you look at the majority of human science and technical advancement throughout our recorded history, the vast majority of those individuals are described as people who were almost certainly in the category of those "disorders" that I mentioned above. I would postulate that, regardless of which side of the creation/evolution/alien seeding argument you sit on, those disorders are not "mistakes". They are necessary members of the human race in order for our species to progress in knowledge, understanding, and technical invention.

We currently have a global population that is a shade north of 8.1 billion people.

In 1905 when Albert Einstein discovered the theory of relativity the population of the world was around 1.65 billion people.

The estimates differ by country, however globally the estimated population of people on the autism spectrum is around 1%. Percentages are congruent to totals. Autism was not recognized as an official diagnosis until the latter half of the 20th century, and it was only added to the DSM-III in 1980.

Considering that the autism spectrum now incorporates, Aspergers, Pervasive Developmental Disorder, and Childhood Disintegrative Disorder, one has to ask, are we seeing more of these people simply because there are way more of us on the planet now? Looking back to my school days I can certainly see that there were a number of people that I regularly interacted with in classes, even a few on sports teams, who would certainly fit under at least the Aspergers diagnosis. Almost all of them were either insanely smart in math, science, and (to an extent) history, struggled in classes like English, few were good at art (although I've read some stuff that suggest artists like Michelangelo were almost certainly on the spectrum), but a fair chunk were incredibly gifted musically (if not natural ears, then insane theory and technical ability).

ADHD was not as obviously "rampant" as it is now.

I don't think there is any sort of nurture component to the disorders on the Autism spectrum. I think that you can provide nurture that enables, or helps, these individuals cope and interact more easily and "appropriately" with the rest of society, but beyond that they are simply who they are.

I do think that ADHD has a massive nurture component and I don't like that it is put on the neurodivergent list with autism, but thankfully it has not been lumped in on the autism spectrum. I also think that a portion of ADHD is actually a natural part of the way a male brain works.....and it shows up in varying degrees. Classically men learn from hands on methods of learning. For men to fully learn the theory of things they have to put it in to application. Getting hands on with something is typically the most effective way of learning for us. Men are capable of overcoming this and applying themselves academically, but for some it takes more effort than others. Men are far more heavily effected by device use, and fare more easily distracted by screens.....and there is an observable correspondence between device/screen time and ADHD behaviours.

All this to say that I think when it comes to the autism spectrum, perhaps we are trying to find a "cure" where none is required. Perhaps this is a situation where the normal majority needs to recognize that this abnormal group of individuals is actually a normal minority in the species with a specific purpose.

Interestingly this seems to be a topic where we largely agree.

I agree that autism is mainly biological. You have it or you don't. Nurture/environment has very little to do with it.

That being said, the right nurture can have a profound effect on how you deal with it.

My sister in law that lives in Ontario has five kids. Two of them are on the autistic spectrum and the other three (plus my s-i-l and her hubby) have adhd.

The eldest one has pretty bad autism, somewhere inbetween Elon Musk and Rainman, but has had a lot of help by the Canadian system to become a productive citizen. When he was in elementary school he had a tutor that worked on teaching him how humans interact. There would be photos of faces, and then he was taught how to recognise if people were happy, angry, sad, etc. Things that most of us intuitively understand, but to him was a complete blind spot. This guy has finished high school, has a job and has even married. Sure, he managed to set the garage on fire once, but all in all things have fallen into place. Thanks to people making sure to help him get a grip on how society - and other humans - functions.
The other autistic one seems to have a milder version of it. He will take everything you say literally, but other than that he seems to function pretty well.

The adhd ones are just restless. Other than that they are fine. They're smart, but easily distracted and don't like to sit down for any longer period. My sister-in law works as a special needs teacher (has a lot of experience from her kids) and her husbands is in sales and usually doing extremely well. Very sociable, easy-going and friendly. Really good assets for a salesman.

I also agree that adhd is more affected by nurture/environment. They become more or less restless and agitated depending on food, sounds, visual factors, and their level of stress. Many top level athletes have adhd. My youngest daughter has it. She would practice football (aka soccer) with two different teams, floorball, swimming and dance classes. A couple of hours of hard physical activity per day keeps her sane. Nowadays she mostly goes to the gym.

I do not believe there is an epdemic of adhd. Nor do I think it is overdiagnosed. I think it is that our society has changed.

People with adhd don't like sitting down but enjoy physical exercise. With less and less jobs available that drain your energy through hard work and more and more jobs that require you to sit at a desk and attend endless meetings, their restlessness becomes an issue.

I heard of a physician who described it to a boy like this: there used to be hunters and farmers. They were both equally important. The hunters have a great eye for details, their fantasy enables them to think out new traps and strategies to capture their prey, and they can trace an animal for hours without getting bored or exhausted. And they are always up for a new adventure. The farmers are great at planning ahead and they like structure. They know when to sow, they tend to the plants and they know when to harvest. They always think about the future.They are great at learning from experience and they keep doing the same thing over and over, steadily improving it over time. They prefer things that they are familiar with and are happy to stay on the ranch. Now you are a hunter, but unfortunately the society we live in today has been designed for the farmers.

In olden days people with adhd just quit school early and found jobs that suited their skills. They have always been overrepresented among artists, musicians, athletes, writers, revolutionaries, alcoholics and drug addicts. And well represented among physicians and scientists. But they shun office work. And until recently they did not get diagnosed. And when I say quit school early, I must add that that is mainly the boys with adhd. Girls with adhd tend to do well in school.

So should adhd be medicated? I think that depends. My youngest daughter, who did well in school and kept her adhd in check through sports, got her diagnosis as an adult and now has been prescribed medication. The first time she took it she started crying. She said she had always had a constant noise in her head, and after taking the medication it fell silent. She had no idea things could be like that. The medication helps her focus and get more organized. She swears by it. And yeah, she has become better at getting shit done since she got them.

I think this depends on the individual and how bad their adhd is. Now that my daughter has been diagnosed I have realized that my mother must have had adhd as well, because this daughter is a carbon copy of my mother in behaviour. My mother could not bear sitting down to watch tv. She would keep busy in the kitchen, baking bread or whatever, just not sitting down. She was originally a school teacher but then became the headmaster of a school and was very active in various organisations, especially Save The Children and the Rebecca Lodge. She had a ton of friends and our house was always full of people.

I used to think that adhd was just disruptive boys that were up to no good, but in recent years I have realized that those are just the dysfunctional ones. There are far more people with adhd that manage to get on with their life. They tend to be very outgoing, are more prone to addiction and they need more stimuli than most of us to not get bored, but that's it. One of my best friends from military service is another good example of a person with adhd who has done well. He finished school with excellent grades despite missing like a third of all classes for just not showing up. Really smart guy. He has started dozens of companies, but tend to abandon them after a year or two. He has an MBA and has held lots of great jobs, incuding CEO of Sweden's most prestigious golf course and head of marketing at one of our major gambling companies. I don't think he has ever held on to the same job for more than three years, because he gets restless and wants to try something new. But he has had a big house in one of Stockholm's fanciest neighbourhoods, a wife and five kids, before eventually giving up on that as well... Always new projects, always good jobs, lots of contacts in various industries, was offered the spot as head of the North American market for Spotify, but turned it down, because it would have meant he would not be able to see his kids on a regular basis. He grew up as one of seven kids to a single mother in an affluent part of Stockholm. Thus he couldn't afford the lifestyle of his class mates, but it never stopped him. For spring break he would rent a bus and a dozen cottages at a ski resort, then sell tour packages to the students of his school so that he himself could go for free and have a some cash to spend at the resort.

[Chef Boi RD]

Products of your environment is bullshit....

Based on a sample size of one.

Ever since Donald told me to stop taking Tylenol I’ve been out of sorts, somewhat.

[Per]

Products of your environment is bullshit, I was exposed to strippers on the regular at very young and I ain’t no sick sex fuck. All the sick sex fuck were always those with strict parents who fought very hard to keep that stuff away from their children. Not my old man, he tossed me into the strippers dressing room to babysit young Chef while the parents boozed in the bar. Naked chicks getting ready to show their wears in front of Chef while Chef is playing with his hot wheels.

Actually, that is probably a great example of products of environment. I truly believe pervertion is usually the result of repressed sexuality.
Letting your kids hang out with naked or semi-naked people is probably a good way to prevent it.

[Meds]

The neurodivergent spectrum of disorders is a curious one.

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Interestingly this seems to be a topic where we largely agree.

I agree that autism is mainly biological. You have it or you don't. Nurture/environment has very little to do with it.

That being said, the right nurture can have a profound effect on how you deal with it.

Agreed. I actually meant to include something to that effect in my post…..but I didn’t. The social coaching that is done these days is incredibly helpful.

In olden days people with adhd just quit school early and found jobs that suited their skills. They have always been overrepresented among artists, musicians, athletes, writers, revolutionaries, alcoholics and drug addicts. And well represented among physicians and scientists. But they shun office work. And until recently they did not get diagnosed. And when I say quit school early, I must add that that is mainly the boys with adhd. Girls with adhd tend to do well in school.

This must be a Swedish perspective. Over here we don’t consider being a drug addict to be “getting a job that’s suits one’s skills”.

[BCExpat]

Products of your environment is bullshit, I was exposed to strippers on the regular at very young and I ain’t no sick sex fuck. All the sick sex fuck were always those with strict parents who fought very hard to keep that stuff away from their children. Not my old man, he tossed me into the strippers dressing room to babysit young Chef while the parents boozed in the bar. Naked chicks getting ready to show their wears in front of Chef while Chef is playing with his hot wheels.

Holy shit - what shitty parents you had - who in their right mind leaves their kid with a bunch of strippers prancing around naked in front of them, while the parents are boozing it up in the bar??? That is really fucked up. Also, it explains a lot about your opinions and rants.