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Cornuck wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:33 pm Got almost 5 minutes into it....

Most people who have followed the story, know that the officers who died, did so later
Oh they know NOW... but for months the media was reporting that Officer Sicknick was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher!

Tucker pointed out in the vid that people like Liz Cheney and Anderson Cooper are STILL reporting that lie.

Also this week Biden's Press Secretary and Biden's Attorney General maintained the illusion officers died on J6.

Press Secretary: “J6 cost police officers their lives.”

Attorney General: “Over a hundred officers were assaulted on that day, 5 officers died.”

Cornuck wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:33 pm - around 4:30, carlson is already twisting words about "5 officers died that day", when the person just said "5 officers died"... sorry, just can't listen to a liar try to call out other people for lying.
Tucker Carlson did not lie, not sure how you took it that way.

BTW "that person" is Biden's Attorney General Merrick Garland, he said, and I quote:

“Over a hundred officers were assaulted on that day, 5 officers died.”

Cornuck wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:33 pm And Doc, before you go all "Watch the video or shut up" on us, just tell us your take.
Okay, I'll post my notes below...

Cornuck wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:33 pm For me, I watched it live for hours.
That's the point, the media, as it tends to do, was focused on showing the worst of the worst that was available.

(and only a fraction was available)

Tucker is showing some of the newly released video that wasn't available to the media.

Point is, the new footage gives us perspective, much much more information.

You really should watch some of it...

Cornuck wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:33 pm It wasn't peaceful. Yes - there were a lot along for the ride. But there was a mob mentality.
For the second time, Tucker calls the incident awful and violent.

He completely condemns that side of it.


My notes on the video:

Surv video proves “at least 3 of the claims our leaders made about j6 are not true”… congressional leaders were hiding the tapes… video proves both dem and repub leaders lied and they responded by becoming angry, a sociopathic response… the lying in Washington is deep and bipartisan… pointed out that the lie that Officer Sicknick died as a result of being struck by a fire extinguisher is STILL being spread by people like Liz Cheney and Anderson Cooper… this week the Biden press secretary perpetuated the lie “j6 cost police officers their lives” AND Attorney General “Over a hundred officers were assaulted on that day, 5 officers died”

…. The assaults on police offers that day are “indefensible”, said that on j6 and still says it… points out the undeniably extreme hyperbole around j6… points out/shows footage of the mostly ignored May 2020 antifa attack (goal: force Prez from office) on DC, a lot more officers injured than j6… 9:27 says Chansley charged as domestic terrorist and sentenced to 4 years, shows clips of media portraying him as a violent and dangerous terrorist… 10:20 surv video of officers escorting Chansley through the building, opening doors for him, 9 of them within touching distance… 11:15 Chansley thanks officers for their help + cooperation in a prayer on the floor of the Senate

… this newly released surv video was withheld from Chansley’s attorneys (by people like Bennie Thompson, Liz Cheney, Adam Schiff), a violation of the Constitution, the judge in the case had no idea the cops were peacefully leading Chansley around the grounds when he said he was “Obstructing the functioning of the government”… prosecutors said Chansley “led the charge and was the flag bearer of the mob”, when he was actually alone while being shown around by the cops… leaders in both parties have said nothing about the implications of this newly released surv video (exculpatory evidence), instead they got angry at Tucker for showing it, not just Chuck Schumer, names 11 Republican Senators… Mitch McConnell. Thom Tillis, Mitt Romney were especially angry

… 17:00 responds to accusations of cherry-picking by saying no, ironically that’s actually what the j6 committee and Chansley prosecutors did when they selectively chose small segments of tape to distort the truth… j6 was awful, doesn’t defend it, hates vandalism and assault, but it was not an “insurrection”, not a “killing on officers”, those were lies… surv video was hidden and civil liberties were annihilated, and the leaders in both parties don’t care… makes fun of Schumer saying he “ran for his life on j6”… says he's invited the leaders who criticized his showing of the footage to come on his show and make their case, but they won’t of course… ends by asking why lies are still being spread about Chansley, how/why were prosecutors allowed to withhold evidence (surv video) from Chansley’s lawyer, and why is this man still in jail.

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This video to me is mostly about the horrific injustice served up to Jacob Chansley

... and the way the truth is kept from the public by the governmental leaders.

They let America burn while they hid these tapes for 26 months!

And now they'd just as soon folks not watch any of it.

Also, I thoroughly enjoyed Tucker calling out the leaders of BOTH parties.

I guess what I'd like is for folks to at least watch the video from 10:20 to 13:13.

But don’t do it for me, do it for yourself.
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Strangelove wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 1:59 pm This video to me is mostly about the horrific injustice served up to Jacob Chansley
Yes, he was just a passive observer who was also part of the first breach of the building, but 'likely' wasn't violent towards officers. He was still part of a mob that broken into the capitol that day. Is that worth 41 months? I'm guessing the DOJ is sending a message to all of the insurrectionists that this is tolerated in civil society.

So Doc, what I'm really asking is for is your opinion of the 'big picture' - we already know that people in power lie, I don't need to watch videos to learn that. So if you can, without referriing to specific videos, just tell us your opinion of Jan 6.
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Cornuck wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:39 pm
Strangelove wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 1:59 pm This video to me is mostly about the horrific injustice served up to Jacob Chansley
Yes, he was just a passive observer who was also part of the first breach of the building, but 'likely' wasn't violent towards officers.
He was never accused of "being violent towards officers". :?

EDIT: He was by the media at large though, is that what you meant? Has the media confused you?

Cornuck wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:39 pm He was still part of a mob that broken into the capitol that day. Is that worth 41 months? I'm guessing the DOJ is sending a message to all of the insurrectionists that this is tolerated in civil society.
Question: Why did the DOJ not "send a message" like that after the Antifa insurrection in DC in May of 2020.

"Civil society"

"Mostly peaceful BLM and Antifa demonstrations". :lol:

Cornuck wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:39 pm So Doc, what I'm really asking is for is your opinion of the 'big picture' - we already know that people in power lie, I don't need to watch videos to learn that. So if you can, without referriing to specific videos, just tell us your opinion of Jan 6.
Well I mostly agree with what Tucker says in the video, which is why I've been pushing it so hard.

So if you really wanna know: Watch the damn video. :hmmm:

My opinion on J6: It was almost as bad as the Antifa insurrection in DC in May of 2020

... but with proportionately more media outrage and DOJ action.

Dems basically have control of the DOJ at this particular time, we've agreed on that no?

You don't seem to care at all that evidence which may have cleared Mr. Chansley was withheld by Dem leaders and the prosecution.

"All's fair in love and war"?

"To hell with him"?

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For me, J6 just highlighted how divided American politics is. I don't think the nation itself is as divided as people think. Most people vote their favourite colour or their parent's favourite colour.....or their social group's. If you sit the average Democrat and Republican voter down and ask them to explain in their own words what they want on any number of issues, chances are good that there would be a fairly similar answer from each of them. It's the 10% on the outside of either wing that foments the stuff we saw on J6, and even some of the more extreme leaning individuals will often comport themselves the way Chansley did inside the Capitol.

The saddest thing is that it's the elected representatives and the news media who use the splitting wedge to advance their own personal and party politics.....and grab click bait views to boost ratings.
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Mëds wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:19 pm For me, J6 just highlighted how divided American politics is. I don't think the nation itself is as divided as people think. Most people vote their favourite colour or their parent's favourite colour.....or their social group's. If you sit the average Democrat and Republican voter down and ask them to explain in their own words what they want on any number of issues, chances are good that there would be a fairly similar answer from each of them. It's the 10% on the outside of either wing that foments the stuff we saw on J6, and even some of the more extreme leaning individuals will often comport themselves the way Chansley did inside the Capitol.

The saddest thing is that it's the elected representatives and the news media who use the splitting wedge to advance their own personal and party politics.....and grab click bait views to boost ratings.
All true, in my opinion, add in the problem of "election denying" and although the extremism is considered fringe, you see the Boberts and Taylor-Greenes get elected, so maybe it's not so fringe after all.

Jan 6 was the just inevitable after the months of lies and rhetoric spewed by a few. The hearings shed a lot of light on what went on behind the scenes with evidence from top republicans, but was one sided in that conflicting opinions weren't brought out in depositions (even just to be dis-proven). They made a case and made it well, using the words of those that were there.

Jan6 didn't need to happen and shouldn't have.
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The thing I can't figure out is where are the charges against those who attempted the same thing at the Supreme Court a couple of years earlier, or at the homes of Supreme Court Justices?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3QVPL65YzI



2:00 minute mark... Hunter finally confesses, among other things, the laptop was his, Joe is the most corrupt Prez in history...
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This is from Trump's Truth Social account an hour ago. Looks like he expects to be arrested Tuesday.

Please excuse the spelling. he's only an ex president...

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:D ^
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Dogged determination :lol:
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Old Yeller

Take him out back :lol:
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5thhorseman wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:20 am Old Yeller

Take him out back :lol:
Switching back to Biden now are ya
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Cornuck wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:48 am:D ^
Agreed, it will backfire and propel our Trumpy-poo back to the White House.

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rats19 wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:08 am
5thhorseman wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:20 am Old Yeller

Take him out back :lol:
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5thhorseman wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:21 pm
rats19 wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:08 am
5thhorseman wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:20 am Old Yeller

Take him out back :lol:
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From what?
You know from what…. :lol:
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