Yeah, coal is doomed. Both natural gas and solar is cheaper, so no one will be building new coal powered plants and the ones still up and running will gradually be phased out. And in the case of solar, the technology is still improving, so over time it will continue to get cheaper and more efficient. But that's good news. Coal mining is dirty and dangerous work, and burning coal destroys both the environment and the climate. Good riddance!SKYO wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:21 pm A lot of those Navajo's work in those mines/power plants.
https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/navajo-coal
But it seems coal is dying a slow but steady death as cheaper natural gas takes over.
Even with Trump helping by cutting govt red tape/regulations & rolling back on the clean power plan on coal mining.
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Low US cost of natural gas is because of fracking. Increased supply, reasonable costs to recover. Go Battlestar Galactica.Per wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:09 pmYeah, coal is doomed. Both natural gas and solar is cheaper, so no one will be building new coal powered plants and the ones still up and running will gradually be phased out. And in the case of solar, the technology is still improving, so over time it will continue to get cheaper and more efficient. But that's good news. Coal mining is dirty and dangerous work, and burning coal destroys both the environment and the climate. Good riddance!SKYO wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:21 pm A lot of those Navajo's work in those mines/power plants.
https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/navajo-coal
But it seems coal is dying a slow but steady death as cheaper natural gas takes over.
Even with Trump helping by cutting govt red tape/regulations & rolling back on the clean power plan on coal mining.
Coal's expense is due to regulations. Mostly environmental (some labor). That it is phasing out is a success story if the regulations are still inadequate to capture the external costs. I'm no expert on whether they are.
It is palatable to the US consumer because energy costs are not increasing (see fracking; also see wind, which is increasingly efficient).
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looking at my latest gas utility bill for our furnace, hotwater tank and stove.
Cost of the gas consumed $14.24
Various storage and delivery charges $64.49
Carbon tax $15.99
Carbon tax is 112% of the cost of the actual gas we burned.
Cost of the gas consumed $14.24
Various storage and delivery charges $64.49
Carbon tax $15.99
Carbon tax is 112% of the cost of the actual gas we burned.
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Ya, um, mine looks like that too. Should carbon tax be in Green ? No, this is better.
Who the f**k gets away with the term various on a bill ?
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Such a bogus calculation. Since when are distribution costs not part of the overall cost of a product?
Buy a pair of Levi 501s for $50. GST and PST is $6, which is probably more than the cost of producing these jeans in Bangladesh.
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Back of the bill says the cost of the gas is actual cost they paid for it to the producer and they pass that onto the consumer with no markup. They separate out distribution and storage in vender pipelines and their own. I combined them for simplicity. I would imagine carbon tax is paid on the energy for pumping and infrastructure by those doing those tasks. GST and PST are calculated on the total bill, then Carbon tax is calculated on the total amount including GST and PST.5thhorseman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:52 pmSuch a bogus calculation. Since when are distribution costs not part of the overall cost of a product?
Buy a pair of Levi 501s for $50. GST and PST is $6, which is probably more than the cost of producing these jeans in Bangladesh.
Should the carbon (carbon dioxide) tax be related to the carbon dioxide produced?
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Burn wood....its tax free! Fuck the carbon bullshit tax.
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Fuck no, even if I had a wood burner. Grew up splitting firewood and packing firewood. Fuck no!Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:12 pm Burn wood....its tax free! Fuck the carbon bullshit tax.
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You have a son dont you? Pass down the knowledgeTopper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:21 pmFuck no, even if I had a wood burner. Grew up splitting firewood and packing firewood. Fuck no!Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:12 pm Burn wood....its tax free! Fuck the carbon bullshit tax.
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I thought BC carbon tax is levied at the retail level only. So pumping an infrastructure are not affected by the carbon tax, though they do pay other, similar, taxes.
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why would they not pay carbon tax on their energy costs?5thhorseman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:24 pm I thought BC carbon tax is levied at the retail level only. So pumping an infrastructure are not affected by the carbon tax, though they do pay other, similar, taxes.
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Double taxationTopper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:43 pmwhy would they not pay carbon tax on their energy costs?5thhorseman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:24 pm I thought BC carbon tax is levied at the retail level only. So pumping an infrastructure are not affected by the carbon tax, though they do pay other, similar, taxes.
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now you're getting it5thhorseman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:41 pmDouble taxationTopper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:43 pmwhy would they not pay carbon tax on their energy costs?5thhorseman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:24 pm I thought BC carbon tax is levied at the retail level only. So pumping an infrastructure are not affected by the carbon tax, though they do pay other, similar, taxes.
like companies with of $500K payroll are already paying the new MSP premium but the "free" for all doesn't kick in until next year.
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