Out of Town Scores - 2022-23

[Chef Boi RD]

And ole Chef here is looking forward to the day when MadCombover grows the nads to be original.

Does this mean I am supposed to lie through my teeth, change my stories faster than you change underwear after taco night, and never give a straight answer?

‘Cause you'll be looking for a long time with that agenda.

… gotta admit, your a lot like Ghomer with the 100 posts a day, constant trolling, and as soon as someone asks you a straight question, you reply with bullshit and name calling. But hey, you do you.

You mad bro?

Should we put out a Karen alert, Comb-over?

[Chef Boi RD]

Benning never did a rebuild. He got lucky with a few top 10 picks, and panicked. A rebuild would have drafted and not traded away that pile of 2nd round picks, or have taken OEL in exchange for a year of bad cap.

Oh it went rebuild mode after 2017. Aqualini said as much.

“He got lucky”? Didn’t everyone scream bloody murder I included for not drafting Cody Glass? Either way even if he was lucky aren’t you glad? You sound like you would rather him have failed on Pettersson and Hughes? Weird, but I’ll move on.

Back to traded 2nd rd picks again. Where does it say that trading 2nd round picks means it’s not a rebuild. I’m seeing so called rebuild teams trading picks, this isn’t exclusive to Benning.

I do admit that OEL isn’t Jim’s finest hour. Garland I have no issues with, he’s young. Serviceable on a manageable contract plus he’s been stellar of late especially under Tocchet. OEL is a problem no two ways about it but OEL and Garland are retool actions taken not rebuild actions. The rebuild was over when acquiring those two

[rikster]

Benning never did a rebuild. He got lucky with a few top 10 picks, and panicked. A rebuild would have drafted and not traded away that pile of 2nd round picks, or have taken OEL in exchange for a year of bad cap.

I agree with you in that luck is essential to building a team, whether you are re tooling or rebuilding or whatever you are doing...

Regrading OEL, I don't think panic had anything to do with it...I think their pro scouting department spent over a year watching his play and felt that he could still be a top 3 dman that the team needed...

Tom Gaglardi, the Dallas Stars owner was on Donnie and Dhali and was asked about rebuilding ....

https://twitter.com/DonnieandDhali/stat ... 18112?s=20

For me because I don't believe in or even understand rebuilding the bigger question is how should an organization deal with their elite core players when those players are on the downside of their careers?

Should they stay loyal to players who have meant so much to the organization over the years or should they move them when the return is at its highest?

Having elite core players is essential to building a winning organization, but what is also true is that those once elite players are mostly in the midst of long term, lucrative contracts that as their skills diminish make it more and more difficult to move out....

Do you hang on in hopes of catching majic in a bottle and go on a long playoff run or do you take a more realistic approach and accept that its not your window and move out fan favorites while they still have some game left in them?

I was interested in seeing how the Penguins would go with Crosby and Malkin and Letang ... They chose to continue going all in with 2 35 year old's and a 36 year old and committed a total of 7 years after this season for the 3 of them...

Chicago held on too long with their core group and ended up selling them for peanuts whereas maybe a year or two earlier the return would have been much greater...

Calgary faced a difficult decision when they lost Gaudreau and Tkachuk and chose to commit almost $20 million to a 30 and 33 year old next season and 15 years in total length....

How organizations deal with the final years of their winning cycle is of more interest to me than should a team like the Canucks rebuild or retool and I wish more media focus was on this stage of an organizations life cycle...

Take care...

[Tciso]

How organizations deal with the final years of their winning cycle is of more interest to me than should a team like the Canucks rebuild or retool and I wish more media focus was on this stage of an organizations life cycle...

Take care...

I agree Rik, but we are a long way away from a winning cycle, let alone the final years of it.

[Blob Mckenzie]

And ole Chef here is looking forward to the day when MadCombover grows the nads to be original.

Does this mean I am supposed to lie through my teeth, change my stories faster than you change underwear after taco night, and never give a straight answer?

‘Cause you'll be looking for a long time with that agenda.

… gotta admit, your a lot like Ghomer with the 100 posts a day, constant trolling, and as soon as someone asks you a straight question, you reply with bullshit and name calling. But hey, you do you.

Chefhert107

He was a solid poster years ago. Just seems to want to gaslight the place these days

[Blob Mckenzie]

How organizations deal with the final years of their winning cycle is of more interest to me than should a team like the Canucks rebuild or retool and I wish more media focus was on this stage of an organizations life cycle...

Take care...

I agree Rik, but we are a long way away from a winning cycle, let alone the final years of it.

Lol no shit. Tell him to put his teeth back in and have his porridge.

[Chef Boi RD]

How organizations deal with the final years of their winning cycle is of more interest to me than should a team like the Canucks rebuild or retool and I wish more media focus was on this stage of an organizations life cycle...

Take care...

I agree Rik, but we are a long way away from a winning cycle, let alone the final years of it.

I don’t think it’s as long as you think, it’s amazing what a little “luck” as you say can do for an organizations success. Signing Kuzmenko could’ve gone two ways and for us it’s looking like we lucked out, let’s hope we get the same kind of luck with Hronek and Lekkerimaki, that remains to be seen.

[Chef Boi RD]

Without question Rikster is one of the best posters here. His takes are top shelf, polar opposite’s to angry Blobs disgruntled postal postings

[rikster]

How organizations deal with the final years of their winning cycle is of more interest to me than should a team like the Canucks rebuild or retool and I wish more media focus was on this stage of an organizations life cycle...

Take care...

I agree Rik, but we are a long way away from a winning cycle, let alone the final years of it.

Agreed, but it seems that we can't get away from the constant rebuild or retool bitching and complaining, mostly from our media members...

And while we aren't in that phase of the organizations life cycle, it did face a critical choice with the Horvat and Miller decisions this past off season...

It could have committed a total of $124 million over a total of 15 years to them, but chose to sign just one of them which I think was the right decision and right player...

Horvat was the fan favorite which Rutherford and Alvin knew and they also knew that the market would be seething if they signed JT over Horvat, but the good news for me was that they didn't let the market influence their decision and they held firm...

Take care...

[SKYO]

I do admit that OEL isn’t Jim’s finest hour. Garland I have no issues with, he’s young. Serviceable on a manageable contract plus he’s been stellar of late especially under Tocchet. OEL is a problem no two ways about it but OEL and Garland are retool actions taken not rebuild actions. The rebuild was over when acquiring those two

As an aside, what's crazy is Boston was hard after OEL as well, I wonder if Ekman-Larsson would perform much better there, with their more veteran players and strong cohesive systems, like how Hampus Lindholm has benefited from tremendously.

Lindholm his last 3 seasons with the crappy Ducks, he scored 28pts, 23pts and 22pts respectively before getting traded to Boston to blossoming into his 42 pts season so far.

OEL last 3 AZ szns: 44pts, 30pts, 24ts.
Canucks 29pts last szn, had 22pts before getting injured this season. Also is playing with Myers and a slew of other depth dmen throwing his metrics down.

[Tciso]

Benning never did a rebuild. He got lucky with a few top 10 picks, and panicked. A rebuild would have drafted and not traded away that pile of 2nd round picks, or have taken OEL in exchange for a year of bad cap.

Oh it went rebuild mode after 2017. Aqualini said as much.

“He got lucky”? Didn’t everyone scream bloody murder I included for not drafting Cody Glass? Either way even if he was lucky aren’t you glad? You sound like you would rather him have failed on Pettersson and Hughes? Weird, but I’ll move on.

Please do. I have never said I was not glad those 3 picks worked out (Pete, Hughes and Demko)

Back to traded 2nd rd picks again. Where does it say that trading 2nd round picks means it’s not a rebuild. I’m seeing so called rebuild teams trading picks, this isn’t exclusive to Benning.

It's not that we traded them, it's that we traded them for bandaids, quick fixes and reclamation projects, and not what we really needed like D-men and organizational depth. He went right from "re-tool on the fly" to into "re-tool" mode after Hughes proved to be the real deal.

I do admit that OEL isn’t Jim’s finest hour. Garland I have no issues with, he’s young. Serviceable on a manageable contract plus he’s been stellar of late especially under Tocchet. OEL is a problem no two ways about it but OEL and Garland are retool actions taken not rebuild actions. The rebuild was over when acquiring those two

Here we 100% agree. OEL meant that the fantasy of a rebuild was over. Not complete, but over. Now, a re-tool is the only option left, outside of the long shot lottery win or a full tear down.

(as an aside, if we do get Bedard, can we give him Boeser's #6? Just so we can call them the "Lotto Max" line)

[2Fingers]

Benning never did a rebuild. He got lucky with a few top 10 picks, and panicked. A rebuild would have drafted and not traded away that pile of 2nd round picks, or have taken OEL in exchange for a year of bad cap.

+100

If he did it right then the Nucks would be in a better position today.

[dangler]

How organizations deal with the final years of their winning cycle is of more interest to me than should a team like the Canucks rebuild or retool and I wish more media focus was on this stage of an organizations life cycle...

Take care...

I agree Rik, but we are a long way away from a winning cycle, let alone the final years of it.

I don’t think it’s as long as you think, it’s amazing what a little “luck” as you say can do for an organizations success. Signing Kuzmenko could’ve gone two ways and for us it’s looking like we lucked out, let’s hope we get the same kind of luck with Hronek and Lekkerimaki, that remains to be seen.

I think we all can agree the cores (Petey,Quinn & Demko) window is here & now, having Miller,Kuzmenko & Hronek in the mix is a huge asset.
If they can add a top 4 D & a 3rd line C this summer(tall order) they will be set to have a winning cycle.

[rikster]

Benning never did a rebuild. He got lucky with a few top 10 picks, and panicked. A rebuild would have drafted and not traded away that pile of 2nd round picks, or have taken OEL in exchange for a year of bad cap.

+100

If he did it right then the Nucks would be in a better position today.

Would they?

Each year players retire or leave the league for various reasons and the main source of replacing these players is thru the draft and with some exceptions most of the players who are drafted are JAG's and the vast majority of players drafted never reach JAG status...

https://www.capfriendly.com/trades/staff/jim-benning

Not a lot to get excited about and I'm not sure which draft picks that got dealt away would have made much of an impact on the roster today?

Take care...

[2Fingers]

Benning never did a rebuild. He got lucky with a few top 10 picks, and panicked. A rebuild would have drafted and not traded away that pile of 2nd round picks, or have taken OEL in exchange for a year of bad cap.

+100

If he did it right then the Nucks would be in a better position today.

Would they?

Each year players retire or leave the league for various reasons and the main source of replacing these players is thru the draft and with some exceptions most of the players who are drafted are JAG's and the vast majority of players drafted never reach JAG status...

https://www.capfriendly.com/trades/staff/jim-benning

Not a lot to get excited about and I'm not sure which draft picks that got dealt away would have made much of an impact on the roster today?

Take care...

How would we know?

They gave up a lot of picks and where has that got them? The outside looking in again.

Also part of their plan and what that you seems to agree with also has them with OEL and other contracts that they should have. This team has not done a rebuild or retool since the Aquas have taken over, it seems they change their mind on thr path going forward every year.

If they kept half of those picks 1 or 2 could be a defender or a forward that is needed on the team.