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Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:12 am

Curmudgeon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:39 am

The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:06 am Myers will prove his value in a playoff series. He may not be a fighter but is a strong man who can lay the odd devastating hit

I meant signing Myers isn't as critical and shouldn't have cost what it did if they would have drafted better versus not signing him at all. Right now he's tied for 13 highest paid RHD and tied for 22nd overall for defensemen and that's an overpay.

Considering he’s getting top pairing type money when he’s a decent second pairing guy, yes it is an overpayment. But they needed a RH shot and most UFA are overpaid. I have less problem with Myers’ contract than Eriksson’s, Sutter’s, Beagle’s or Roussel’s. But having Myers make that money, and factoring in Hughes’s next deal, there’s no fucking way they are shelling out on a legit top pairing RH shot in UFA in the next few years like Petro or Jones. They will need to address the D cheaply and to start drafting more D men. Pretty bizarre they didn’t pick even one D man last year.

Hard to say what will happen. If Podkolzin"s development stays on an upward trend, he could be used in a deal for a quality young defense man
in the future. May involve more than two principal players, (usually does), but if the need is there and the team is in good shape up front for
years to come, I could see something along these lines.

Curmudgeon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:39 am

The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:06 am Myers will prove his value in a playoff series. He may not be a fighter but is a strong man who can lay the odd devastating hit

I meant signing Myers isn't as critical and shouldn't have cost what it did if they would have drafted better versus not signing him at all. Right now he's tied for 13 highest paid RHD and tied for 22nd overall for defensemen and that's an overpay.

I contest that his value cant be quantified without seeing the full body of his work...which includes a physical playoff series.

An actual "top pairing" dman is worth closer to 7 or 8 in my opinion and Myers coming in at 6 is right about where a UFA 2nd pairing guy would sign.

Legit top pairing dmen are like Carlson, Josi, Jones, Reilly, Hughes,etc...not your Edlers, Tanevs or whatever the canucks have pawned on their fans as top pairing guys over the years(before Hughes came along obviously)

The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:31 pm

Curmudgeon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:39 am

The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:06 am Myers will prove his value in a playoff series. He may not be a fighter but is a strong man who can lay the odd devastating hit

I meant signing Myers isn't as critical and shouldn't have cost what it did if they would have drafted better versus not signing him at all. Right now he's tied for 13 highest paid RHD and tied for 22nd overall for defensemen and that's an overpay.

I contest that his value cant be quantified without seeing the full body of his work...which includes a physical playoff series.

An actual "top pairing" dman is worth closer to 7 or 8 in my opinion and Myers coming in at 6 is right about where a UFA 2nd pairing guy would sign.

Legit top pairing dmen are like Carlson, Josi, Jones, Reilly, Hughes,etc...not your Edlers, Tanevs or whatever the canucks have pawned on their fans as top pairing guys over the years(before Hughes came along obviously)

Tanev and Edler were absolutely top pairing/top 40-50 D men in the game for several years. Now they are both middle pairing guys at best. They are old now. Seeing Myers as the 22nd best paid d man is a bit alarming since he should be nowhere near anyone’s top pair. He’s another middle pairing guy at best.

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:12 am

Curmudgeon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:39 am

The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:06 am Myers will prove his value in a playoff series. He may not be a fighter but is a strong man who can lay the odd devastating hit

I meant signing Myers isn't as critical and shouldn't have cost what it did if they would have drafted better versus not signing him at all. Right now he's tied for 13 highest paid RHD and tied for 22nd overall for defensemen and that's an overpay.

Considering he’s getting top pairing type money when he’s a decent second pairing guy, yes it is an overpayment. But they needed a RH shot and most UFA are overpaid. I have less problem with Myers’ contract than Eriksson’s, Sutter’s, Beagle’s or Roussel’s. But having Myers make that money, and factoring in Hughes’s next deal, there’s no fucking way they are shelling out on a legit top pairing RH shot in UFA in the next few years like Petro or Jones. They will need to address the D cheaply and to start drafting more D men. Pretty bizarre they didn’t pick even one D man last year.

Exactly and even in 2017 they had 4 picks in the first 64 and didn't select a single defenseman, though they may have lucked out with Rathbone if they can get him signed. The Ferland signing was also a head scratcher after the Miller move and Myers signing. Sure he can go on LTIR but as long as there's uncertainty they can't use the dollars elsewhere. A healthy Ferland is a good signing, his history makes it awfully risky for a cap team.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad the team is finally getting back in the mix and I don't think they're that far from making some noise but they sure don't make it easy on themselves sometimes.

SKYO wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:11 am

Curmudgeon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:14 am

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:06 am

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:34 am Remember guys, Doyle was tearing Benning and Lind new ones all season during Linds rookie campaign for the Canucks selecting Lind over Hague. All. Season. Long. Doyle hated Lind. Called him out for his struggles as a rookie, saying he’s an absolute bust. It was a horrendous assault on a rookie. A barrage of weaponry fired at Lind’s rookie season.

Funny I just looked at my posts during his rookie season.

I made one post saying that he had a terrible rookie season and another one saying that he and Jonah Gadjovich were developing at a snail’s pace. I did and still do prefer Hague, so what. So would most people.

Your post is a pile of pus much like yourself. Don’t let the truth get in the way of your narrative.

Hague at least has NHL games under his belt and for a pretty good team too. Another defenseman I was hoping they'd look at was Dylan Samberg and he ended up getting picked by the Jets ten slots later. Lind may work out but they are jammed on the right wing and positionally need way more irons in the fire on defense.

It will be interesting to see how Hoglander turns out in comparison to Kaedan Korczak, a RHD who was also selected by Vegas immediately after the Canucks pick.

Yeah I wishing for a dman like Korczak and playing for the defensemen NHL churning machine that is the Kelowna Rockets.

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Hoglander is getting good reviews though, he should take Pearson's spot beside Horvat after next season.

Vegas traded up to get that pick to select Korczak specifically which says a lot for them. Why couldn't the Canucks pull that off with later picks or young assets?

The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:31 pm

Curmudgeon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:39 am

The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:06 am Myers will prove his value in a playoff series. He may not be a fighter but is a strong man who can lay the odd devastating hit

I meant signing Myers isn't as critical and shouldn't have cost what it did if they would have drafted better versus not signing him at all. Right now he's tied for 13 highest paid RHD and tied for 22nd overall for defensemen and that's an overpay.

I contest that his value cant be quantified without seeing the full body of his work...which includes a physical playoff series.

An actual "top pairing" dman is worth closer to 7 or 8 in my opinion and Myers coming in at 6 is right about where a UFA 2nd pairing guy would sign.

Legit top pairing dmen are like Carlson, Josi, Jones, Reilly, Hughes,etc...not your Edlers, Tanevs or whatever the canucks have pawned on their fans as top pairing guys over the years(before Hughes came along obviously)

I guess we'll see, I still think he's way too high on the salary scale for what he brings. Playoffs would make it all worthwhile, it always does.

I’m just trying to help Blobbee realize that judging a players career from the small sample size of their professional rookie year is very wrong. He was on Kole Lind like white on rice during his entire rookie season. I’m sure he regrets it now since Kole Lind is shaping up to be a very very solid up and coming NHL’er

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:35 am I’m just trying to help Blobbee realize that judging a players career from the small sample size of their professional rookie year is very wrong. He was on Kole Lind like white on rice during his entire rookie season. I’m sure he regrets it now since Kole Lind is shaping up to be a very very solid up and coming NHL’er

I had two posts criticizing Lind. Two. Just like the one post I had regarding Jake Wise when you went off about him. Dig deeper, you can do it.

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10:36 AM · Jun 23, 2020

GOOD! This would be a God send if all of a sudden Olli became what was hoped. Solve some fiscal dilemmas on a grandiose scale too.

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:53 am

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:35 am I’m just trying to help Blobbee realize that judging a players career from the small sample size of their professional rookie year is very wrong. He was on Kole Lind like white on rice during his entire rookie season. I’m sure he regrets it now since Kole Lind is shaping up to be a very very solid up and coming NHL’er

I had two posts criticizing Lind. Two. Just like the one post I had regarding Jake Wise when you went off about him. Dig deeper, you can do it.

So...you never did say why you hate Lind so much

The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:30 am

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:53 am

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:35 am I’m just trying to help Blobbee realize that judging a players career from the small sample size of their professional rookie year is very wrong. He was on Kole Lind like white on rice during his entire rookie season. I’m sure he regrets it now since Kole Lind is shaping up to be a very very solid up and coming NHL’er

I had two posts criticizing Lind. Two. Just like the one post I had regarding Jake Wise when you went off about him. Dig deeper, you can do it.

So...you never did say why you hate Lind so much

Because instead of staying in the dub and torching kids like most of his draft cohorts He jumped up to the ahl and had a tough rookie pro season. He did great this year though and should make the nhl in a year or two.

Richardstroker69 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:04 pm

The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:30 am

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:53 am

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:35 am I’m just trying to help Blobbee realize that judging a players career from the small sample size of their professional rookie year is very wrong. He was on Kole Lind like white on rice during his entire rookie season. I’m sure he regrets it now since Kole Lind is shaping up to be a very very solid up and coming NHL’er

I had two posts criticizing Lind. Two. Just like the one post I had regarding Jake Wise when you went off about him. Dig deeper, you can do it.

So...you never did say why you hate Lind so much

Because instead of staying in the dub and torching kids like most of his draft cohorts He jumped up to the ahl and had a tough rookie pro season. He did great this year though and should make the nhl in a year or two.

I was mostly giving blob the stink end of the toilet brush.

I'm curious about how Lind looks next year. Hes a sneaky good prospect who may come out of nowhere and win a job.

What about Gadjovic? He started collecting injuries then i havent heard anything further. Meg?

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1:27 PM · Jun 23, 2020

Guess we'll wait and see on that one. Hope so.

The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:11 pm

Richardstroker69 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:04 pm

The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:30 am

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:53 am

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:35 am I’m just trying to help Blobbee realize that judging a players career from the small sample size of their professional rookie year is very wrong. He was on Kole Lind like white on rice during his entire rookie season. I’m sure he regrets it now since Kole Lind is shaping up to be a very very solid up and coming NHL’er

I had two posts criticizing Lind. Two. Just like the one post I had regarding Jake Wise when you went off about him. Dig deeper, you can do it.

So...you never did say why you hate Lind so much

Because instead of staying in the dub and torching kids like most of his draft cohorts He jumped up to the ahl and had a tough rookie pro season. He did great this year though and should make the nhl in a year or two.

I was mostly giving blob the stink end of the toilet brush.

I'm curious about how Lind looks next year. Hes a sneaky good prospect who may come out of nowhere and win a job.

What about Gadjovic? He started collecting injuries then i havent heard anything further. Meg?

Gadjovich was improving this season as well but hit the injury bug.

The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:11 pm

Richardstroker69 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:04 pm

The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:30 am

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:53 am

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:35 am I’m just trying to help Blobbee realize that judging a players career from the small sample size of their professional rookie year is very wrong. He was on Kole Lind like white on rice during his entire rookie season. I’m sure he regrets it now since Kole Lind is shaping up to be a very very solid up and coming NHL’er

I had two posts criticizing Lind. Two. Just like the one post I had regarding Jake Wise when you went off about him. Dig deeper, you can do it.

So...you never did say why you hate Lind so much

Because instead of staying in the dub and torching kids like most of his draft cohorts He jumped up to the ahl and had a tough rookie pro season. He did great this year though and should make the nhl in a year or two.

I was mostly giving blob the stink end of the toilet brush.

I'm curious about how Lind looks next year. Hes a sneaky good prospect who may come out of nowhere and win a job.

What about Gadjovic? He started collecting injuries then i havent heard anything further. Meg?

Like chef said he improved, especially his foot speed, he may be on the Zach macewen trajectory if he can stay healthy and pick up a little more speed. What’s nice with gadjovich is he dropped the gloves with some tough hombres in the ahl already. Lind is exciting, I know some people that watched him live this last training camp and he supposedly looked awesome, I think he’ll dominate and possibly get a callup next year.