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Yes - there's been some fun times for sure, but each great year only ended too soon.

Well.

'94 & '11 couldn't have ended any later (barring OT)...the results sucked....but the team dragged shit out as long as they could have...

donlever wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 4:22 pm Well.
'94 & '11 couldn't have ended any later (barring OT)...the results sucked....but the team dragged shit out as long as they could have...

Look, I'm just a bitter old man, ok!

Cornuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 4:24 pm Look, I'm just a bitter old man, ok!

Finally!!!

This needs to be in your sig!

Probably works well in its own thread too.

donlever wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 4:36 pm Look, Mushiocrity is the just the goal for the bitter old man, ok?

FFA

Imagine if “The Rift” never happened? Petey’s production last season wouldn’t have changed, but what if Miller didn’t go über “Bad Miller” and forced the trade?

No M. Pettersson, no Chytil and no Mancini. Management would have to find ways to shore up the blue line, but D. Petey and Willander would be on the way if not shoved up to the big club.

Demko would still be Demko, though.

Last season was going to happen, and no guarantee that this season would be closer to the ‘23-24 season. This isn’t really a “what if” post, so much as an acknowledgment that last season utterly upended management’s plans. Before last season, they looked the part of a contender. Now, well we don’t really know what they are.

You can argue how inevitable last season was, but I don’t think folks appreciate how much “the rift” and the fallout from it totally threw management’s plans out the window. Now, they’re scrambling to adjust course while still convincing folks inside and outside the arena to have faith.

Lancer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 13, 2025 8:48 am Imagine if “The Rift” never happened? Petey’s production last season wouldn’t have changed, but what if Miller didn’t go über “Bad Miller” and forced the trade?

I disagree. If the rift never happened I suspect that Pettersson would have been an point-per-game player (or very near to) last season. His psyche is clearly fragile AF, I'd say the rift was what made it impossible for him to recover from the slump he hit. Having a supportive counterpart (JT as the other top-6 pivot) goes a long ways to getting out of a funk.

That being said, I still don't endorse the player, or contract handed out, when the historical scuttlebutt was that he continually showed up unprepared for camp and was (still is?) largely uncoachable and unreceptive to critical feedback from his peers.

There were multiple factors here, but I think the rift exacerbated them badly.....both players should have been traded for failing to walk out a standard that corresponds with that level of professional.

No M. Pettersson, no Chytil and no Mancini. Management would have to find ways to shore up the blue line, but D. Petey and Willander would be on the way if not shoved up to the big club.

Willander looks like he could easily become a top-3 (maybe top pairing). He needs to add some strength so he's not so easily pushed into his own net, but his skating, while not Hughes-level otherworldly, is elite, and his reads with the puck are astute. He's also that highly coveted right-shot.

Last season was going to happen, and no guarantee that this season would be closer to the ‘23-24 season. This isn’t really a “what if” post, so much as an acknowledgment that last season utterly upended management’s plans. Before last season, they looked the part of a contender. Now, well we don’t really know what they are.

You can argue how inevitable last season was, but I don’t think folks appreciate how much “the rift” and the fallout from it totally threw management’s plans out the window. Now, they’re scrambling to adjust course while still convincing folks inside and outside the arena to have faith.

Last season was only inevitable because of that rift. Frankly, as much as JT Miller owns his significant part due to his immature reaction, I think more of it lands on Pettersson for his handling of himself.....dropping the "knee injury" in post-season interviews, failing to prepare over the summer, being a closed door for feedback, etc.

But absent the rift, JT is more productive, doesn't take the leave of absence, and the team probably wins more games despite Demko being MIA.

Also.

Management need be held accountable for throwing their own plans out the window for allowing the scenario to transpire as it did.

It was pre-school level stewardship of a pro sports franchise.

Jerry Jones like circus time (Dan Russell)....

donlever wrote: ↑Thu Nov 13, 2025 1:25 pm Management need be held accountable for throwing their own plans out the window for allowing the scenario to transpire as it did.
It was pre-school level stewardship of a pro sports franchise.

Exactly! They made this happen - but I'm sure they were hoping things might even out this season, and not get the overload of injuries to start the year.

Cornuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 13, 2025 1:52 pm

donlever wrote: ↑Thu Nov 13, 2025 1:25 pm Management need be held accountable for throwing their own plans out the window for allowing the scenario to transpire as it did.
It was pre-school level stewardship of a pro sports franchise.

Exactly! They made this happen - but I'm sure they were hoping things might even out this season, and not get the overload of injuries to start the year.

Injuries are a factor, for sure.

But the 1C position is a mess of their own making. When JT was traded he had 35 points in 40 games while playing disgruntled and inconsistently engaged.

The situation didn’t manifest overnight, management (maybe ownership) allowed this to happen via inaction.

Mëds wrote: ↑Thu Nov 13, 2025 2:21 pm

Cornuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 13, 2025 1:52 pm

donlever wrote: ↑Thu Nov 13, 2025 1:25 pm Management need be held accountable for throwing their own plans out the window for allowing the scenario to transpire as it did.
It was pre-school level stewardship of a pro sports franchise.

Exactly! They made this happen - but I'm sure they were hoping things might even out this season, and not get the overload of injuries to start the year.

Injuries are a factor, for sure.

But the 1C position is a mess of their own making. When JT was traded he had 35 points in 40 games while playing disgruntled and inconsistently engaged.

The situation didn’t manifest overnight, management (maybe ownership) allowed this to happen via inaction.

And it seems he misses his ol' Pal Petey - playing disgruntled and inconsistent in NY as well. 4 goals, 8pts on the season.

They were better together. Mgmt should have forked out for couples therapy or something. Hypnotism? Religious studies? Try something more than just a few meetings.

A dozen fat indica doobs and a day pass at playland would've sorted all that anxiety out. Those boys were waaaaay too harshed out. They needed my medication

JelloPuddingPop wrote: ↑Thu Nov 13, 2025 2:25 pm They were better together. Mgmt should have forked out for couples therapy or something. Hypnotism? Religious studies? Try something more than just a few meetings.