The Rebuild...

[Strangelove]

OMG dude, you just got completely pwned by the new Dado!

*chains Blob to backend of Silverado*

VROOOO... VRRROOOOM... VRRRRROOOOOOOM

[ESQ]

I think most posters here are willing to concede that every GM is going to make a couple of mistakes, but....a 2nd round draft pick for Linden Vey seems brilliant in retrospect ?

Vey was worth 50th overall at the time, someone linked to the Vey trade thread the other day

How did the Vey trade thread ever get bumped from the front page?

Its been 3 years and people are still acting like trading a 2nd round pick for Vey is like trading Naslund for Stojanov.

When people are still harping on one of the most minor trades Benning has done, its going to be tough to have a reasonable discussion about him...

[Blob Mckenzie]

When people are not seeing all the blunders Benning has done, its going to be tough to have a reasonable discussion about him.....

[Ronning's Ghost]

How did the Vey trade thread ever get bumped from the front page?

Its been 3 years and people are still acting like trading a 2nd round pick for Vey is like trading Naslund for Stojanov.

When people are still harping on one of the most minor trades Benning has done, its going to be tough to have a reasonable discussion about him...

As I said:

I think most posters here are willing to concede that every GM is going to make a couple of mistakes

But when Doc insists that

EVERY SINGLE MOVE Jimmy has made since He got here seems brilliant in retrospect

It seems to me reasonable to bring up his most obvious, clear-cut mistake.

Strangelove and I do agree on one important point, though: the only important test of Benning's performance is how good the Canucks are (or aren't) in the 2018-2019 season (or, being generous -- because yes Dude, it was a difficult starting place), the 2019-2020 season. I'm willing to table all discussion until the end of the latter season, but then how would we drive site traffic for Brian ?

[Todd Bersnoozi]

Vey was worth 50th overall at the time, someone linked to the Vey trade thread the other day

... and I noted NO ONE here was opposed to the trade at the time.

In fact, folks were excited about inserting a youngster with such a high ceiling into the lineup!

July 4th, 2014

Used some 2nd/3rd round picks to grab Vey (unproven player) and Dorsett (elite 4th liner). Again, I'd rather use the picks to get some prospects who have greater potential. I think those type of players u can generally grab in the UFA market or waivers or swap of prospects, don't have to give up a decent pick (2nd/3rd rounder).

I will say this though, not sure if I'm really a big fan of the GM getting players who his coach likes (ie: the Medicine Hat connection). Kind of like when Neil Smith just went out and got whatever Mike Keenan wanted with the Rangers, although it did work and they won it in 94. Generally, the GM just goes out and gets the best players who he thinks will best suit his team, the coach just works with what is given to him.

Maybe Willie knows something about these players as they could be undiscovered gems who could turn out to be excellent NHLers; on the other hand, maybe they simply are what they are presently projected as... fringe NHLers (a Lonny Bohonos and Mike Brown). Time will tell.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10393&p=209636&hilit=vey#p209636

Time did tell. We got a fringe NHLer.

[Strangelove]

Vey was worth 50th overall at the time, someone linked to the Vey trade thread the other day

... and I noted NO ONE here was opposed to the trade at the time.

In fact, folks were excited about inserting a youngster with such a high ceiling into the lineup!

July 4th, 2014


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Time will tell.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10393&p=209636&hilit=vey#p209636

Time did tell. We got a fringe NHLer.

So on July 4 2014 you posted a looooong rambling ambiguous post, big whoop Todd!

Todd on July 4th, 2014: "I'd rather use the pick to get (a) prospect who has greater potential"

I don't think, with 50th o/a you're going to get a prospect with greater potential than Vey at the time.

Anyway, as I said, I was referring to the Vey signing thread:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10405

Maybe a potential guy to replace Hansen on the 3rd line RW. I wonder how are his wheels and checking ability?

That was your only comment in said thread Ned...

[Strangelove]

But when Doc insists that

EVERY SINGLE MOVE Jimmy has made since He got here seems brilliant in retrospect

It seems to me reasonable to bring up his most obvious, clear-cut mistake.

Actually this is what the Great Strangelove said:

EVERY SINGLE MOVE Jimmy has made since He got here seems brilliant in retrospect.
(or at least logical when put in perspective)

Funny that... after I indeed put said trade into "logical perspective"...

... you completely ignore that and continue with your "clear-cut mistake" narrative.

I'm disappointed, that is not how one properly debates Cliffy.

Too bad you can't build a time machine to go back and oppose the Vey trade at the time.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Game Set Match R G he's made you his bitch

Dodo is losing it

[Strangelove]

Game Set Match R G he's made you his bitch

Your unbiased opinion is appreciated as always Mr Bubbles!

Beaten + Bitter looks good on you... as always.

[Strangelove]

R G he's made you his bitch

wait...

Drinking much tonight Bubble Boy?

[Ronning's Ghost]

I'm disappointed, that is not how one properly debates Cliffy.

I submit that a bold assertion followed by a weaselly, ass-covering, back-pedaling, parenthetical qualifier isn't exactly top-flight forum debating form, either.

Too bad you can't build a time machine to go back and oppose the Vey trade at the time.

I did not oppose the specifics of the trade at the time, because I bought into the narrative the Benning was an unusually astute judge of talent and may have seen things that others missed. I did oppose the principle of trading draft picks for older players

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10927&p=261513&hili ... ft#p261513

and point out that Vey wasn't even the player Benning said he wanted

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10901&p=254759&hilit=Vey#p254759

But we still agree on the main point. All that matters in assessing Benning's work is how the Canucks are doing in the "1-2 years" that have been reverberating around this board. If they are doing well (and I plan a poll on what would qualify), then Benning has done a great job. Unfortunately your kool-aid addiction prevents you from even contemplating the implications if the Canucks are not doing well.

[Blob Mckenzie]

RG is Rooney ,Odd Todd is Beckham and Doc is the soccer ball. Maybe take a knee oldtimer , you're getting abused.

[Topper]

soccer balls make it to the World Cup Final.

[Cousin Strawberry]

RG is Rooney ,Odd Todd is Beckham and Doc is the soccer ball. Maybe take a knee oldtimer , you're getting abused.

[Mickey107]

Look-out

Taunting is abound.........