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Doyle Hargraves wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:50 pm Nobody on the farm is capable of stepping in for Stecher. Deal him after the season
Hot Potato Puck Handler - Stecher? You sure about that?
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Chef Boi RD wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:37 pm
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:50 pm Nobody on the farm is capable of stepping in for Stecher. Deal him after the season
Hot Potato Puck Handler - Stecher? You sure about that?
Who on the farm is capable of stepping in and playing solid hockey on the bottom pairing for 15-17 min a night? Right now as we speak..., who can do it?
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Doyle Hargraves wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:46 pm
Chef Boi RD wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:37 pm
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:50 pm Nobody on the farm is capable of stepping in for Stecher. Deal him after the season
Hot Potato Puck Handler - Stecher? You sure about that?
Who on the farm is capable of stepping in and playing solid hockey on the bottom pairing for 15-17 min a night? Right now as we speak..., who can do it?
I believe the team wouldn’t miss a beat if the 3rd pairing Stecher was replaced with any of Sautner, Fatberger, Juolevi, Teves or Rafferty. Chatfield as well. It’s a trade I’d explore if other teams are kicking Bennings white walls over Stenchers availability. Getterdun Jet Black.
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Doyle Hargraves wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:46 pm
Chef Boi RD wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:37 pm
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:50 pm Nobody on the farm is capable of stepping in for Stecher. Deal him after the season
Hot Potato Puck Handler - Stecher? You sure about that?
Who on the farm is capable of stepping in and playing solid hockey on the bottom pairing for 15-17 min a night? Right now as we speak..., who can do it?
Interactive site; https://theahl.com/stats/roster/390 Press on a D-man to find out the stats. If necessary, who?
Actually looks like Rafferty to me. Wouldn't be easy though..
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Chef Boi RD wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:51 pm
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:46 pm
Chef Boi RD wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:37 pm
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:50 pm Nobody on the farm is capable of stepping in for Stecher. Deal him after the season
Hot Potato Puck Handler - Stecher? You sure about that?
Who on the farm is capable of stepping in and playing solid hockey on the bottom pairing for 15-17 min a night? Right now as we speak..., who can do it?
I believe the team wouldn’t miss a beat if the 3rd pairing Stecher was replaced with any of Sautner, Fatberger, Juolevi, Teves or Rafferty. Chatfield as well. It’s a trade I’d explore if other teams are kicking Bennings white walls over Stenchers availability. Getterdun Jet Black.
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Cap comparables for Tanev.....

Cody Ceci $4.5M - Defensive dman. Younger. Stronger. Similar point production. Considered by many to have underachieved based on early projections.

Colin Miller $3.875M - Defensive dman with some 2-way upside. Younger. Bigger. Inconsistent at times, considered to have underachieved by some.

Matt Dumba: $6M - Two way guy. Younger. More offensively gifted. Still has some serious upside, particularly if he can get out of Minnesota.

These are contracts all signed in or after 2018, and guys who realistically bring a similar, or better, skillset. I don't consider Tanev and Dumba to be comparable players per se, I think most would agree that Dumba is a more versatile defenseman who quite obviously contributes more on the scoresheet.

Tanev has plenty of intangibles, and he's been a fixture on this blueline playing tough minutes and posting good defensive numbers behind a defensively inept forward group, and in front of some inconsistent goaltending. That being said, his number is not going to be higher than Edler's $6M, and with his injury history chances are that he would max out at $6M on the free agent market. He is going on 30, and in all but 3 of his 10 NHL seasons he has missed more than 20 games.....granted the 3 seasons he spent a chunk of time in the AHL before earning a spot as a regular, but in 2 of those he still missed 10 or more games between the two clubs.

If the Canucks have a strong season and make the playoff, I could see him wanting to come back at a bit of a discount unless the opportunity arises to go play in one of Winnipeg (brother), Toronto, Ottawa, Buffalo, Montreal, or Detroit, due to proximity to home.

Watching Stecher play this year I gotta say I love the effort, but there's a ton of mistakes that are coming that appear to be born out of him trying too hard.

Benn won't be moved before Troy. That would soften the back end substantially, and that added grit is, imho, one of the reasons we are a better team this year.
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Brandon Tanev is in Pittsburgh now. I watched a thing about Chris a few years ago and he was a torontoilet fanboy when he was young so I'd say thats the only threat to him wanting to come back cheap.

Toronto will have gaping holes on that back end if Muzzin and Barrie hit the highway. This could be where he ends up
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Mëds wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:56 pm Cap comparables for Tanev.....

Cody Ceci $4.5M - Defensive dman. Younger. Stronger. Similar point production. Considered by many to have underachieved based on early projections.
Oh Gaud no, Ceci is horrible!

He was the whipping boy in Ottawa and their fans were warning Leafers about him after the Zaitsev trade.

Leafers actually liked him in the preseason and first two Leaf games... then they turned on him big time.

Ceci is now the whipping boy in Tarrana (well they have a few at the moment lol).

In the present market I would say a dependable Top-4 RS Dman like Tanev would get ~ $5.5M x 5 as a UFA.
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Strangelove wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:06 pm
Mëds wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:56 pm Cap comparables for Tanev.....

Cody Ceci $4.5M - Defensive dman. Younger. Stronger. Similar point production. Considered by many to have underachieved based on early projections.
Oh Gaud no, Ceci is horrible!

He was the whipping boy in Ottawa and their fans were warning Leafers about him after the Zaitsev trade.

Leafers actually liked him in the preseason and first two Leaf games... then they turned on him big time.

Ceci is now the whipping boy in Tarrana (well they have a few at the moment lol).

In the present market I would say a dependable Top-4 RS Dman like Tanev would get ~ $5.5M x 5 as a UFA.
He's younger and punching below where people figured he would. I agree he's pretty bad. His cap hit is comparable though.

The point of my post was that Tanev falls somewhere between Ceci and Dumba in terms of skill/value. But Miller is younger and signed more recently for less.....

Anyways. You missed it. I'll spell it out with crayons next time.
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Mëds wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:20 pm Anyways. You missed it. I'll spell it out with crayons next time.
WTF dude! :lol:

And here I was trying to be nice in ignoring your other two horrible comparables...
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Strangelove wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:27 pm
Mëds wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:20 pm Anyways. You missed it. I'll spell it out with crayons next time.
WTF dude! :lol:

And here I was trying to be nice in ignoring your other two horrible comparables...
Hahahaha.
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Chef Boi RD wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:51 pm
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:46 pm
Chef Boi RD wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:37 pm
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:50 pm Nobody on the farm is capable of stepping in for Stecher. Deal him after the season
Hot Potato Puck Handler - Stecher? You sure about that?
Who on the farm is capable of stepping in and playing solid hockey on the bottom pairing for 15-17 min a night? Right now as we speak..., who can do it?
I believe the team wouldn’t miss a beat if the 3rd pairing Stecher was replaced with any of Sautner, Fatberger, Juolevi, Teves or Rafferty. Chatfield as well. It’s a trade I’d explore if other teams are kicking Bennings white walls over Stenchers availability. Getterdun Jet Black.
While I don't disagree that one of those guys can be a fairly adequate replacement for Stecher's 3rd pairing role, who among that group can step up to 22 minutes a night when Meyers or Tanev get injured? Meyers, Sautner and Rafferty is a scary idea for right D-men. And it's just a bad trade, and an inevitable injury away.
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Why are we talking about trading anybody (except Ericsson)??? Team ain't broke. It's 8-1-1... you don't trade when your winning....
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Madcombinepilot wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:42 am Why are we talking about trading anybody (except Ericsson)??? Team ain't broke. It's 8-1-1... you don't trade when your winning....
Probably because Stetcher is a weak link on that back end. Hes still the same turnover machine
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