OTL-GDT - Canucks @ Kings, 7 PM PST CBC, Nov 29

[donlever]

Wasn't there another fall he had in OT that led to a chance against?

I saw someone talking about it on socialzzz but couldn't locate it.

On Kempes eventual goal watching Petey hustle back (credit for effort...he gave it hell and ended up trying to block the shot on the eventual winner) you can really see his quirky stride.

He lifts his feet to high off the ice....Topper calls it like a girl learning on Pikes lol.

An unfortunate oddity in his skating which holds him back.

Dude is all around giving it shit from what I can see this year so kudos for that.

He cares....

[Cornuck]

He cares....

For sure - watching the games, you can see that he's gaining more confidence each game. He's trying more creative moves (like the puck in the air move against SJ that almost got him a goal). His skating will likely always be his kryptonite, though.

He seems like a weight has been lifted (or maybe a coach's leash removed), and although not every move results in something positive (in many cases, he'll lose the puck trying something), overall, he's getting better each week.

[donlever]

...it will be interesting to see where the levelling ends up.

[JelloPuddingPop]

Wasn't there another fall he had in OT that led to a chance against?

On Kempes eventual goal watching Petey hustle back (credit for effort...he gave it hell and ended up trying to block the shot on the eventual winner) you can really see his quirky stride.

He lifts his feet to high off the ice....Topper calls it like a girl learning on Pikes lol.

An unfortunate oddity in his skating which holds him back.

Holds him back?

I do see a weird skating stride... but is it new? It looks like the same stride that he has had for years. That Topper has commented on for years, that he scored 100+ points with and PPG for many years, that he currently has, and we all see him playing some of the best hockey in a long while?

I love that you guys are skating experts, but Corey Perry won an Art Ross while skating like a scarecrow, Allison was a threat everytime he hit the ice, even though his skating was worse than my beer league winger last night, are the Tkachuk brothers wonderful skaters? Mark Stone? Lucky Luc?

Meanwhile Darren Helm was amazing, as is Mikheyev. Skating helps. But isn't the be all end all.

Holds him back from being a 200 point player? Maybe. But I'd take an 80 point Selky nominated player with a quirky skating stride over a Paul Byron type skater all day long.

[Meds]

Wasn't there another fall he had in OT that led to a chance against?

On Kempes eventual goal watching Petey hustle back (credit for effort...he gave it hell and ended up trying to block the shot on the eventual winner) you can really see his quirky stride.

He lifts his feet to high off the ice....Topper calls it like a girl learning on Pikes lol.

An unfortunate oddity in his skating which holds him back.

Holds him back?

I do see a weird skating stride... but is it new? It looks like the same stride that he has had for years. That Topper has commented on for years, that he scored 100+ points with and PPG for many years, that he currently has, and we all see him playing some of the best hockey in a long while?

I’m sorry. No.

He has been a 1.0 PPG player exactly two times. The first time just so happened to see him blow that mark out of the water with 102 points.

In his rookie season he was 5 points shy of the mark.

Closer in his second year where he fell 2 shy.

The season before he broke out he put up 68 points in 80 games.

At this point in his career, which is now in its 8th full season, the point per game (or better) production is the anomaly in the data.

[donlever]

JPP....I think EP is showing this season to be an above average player that, as I said above, has shown some nuts and give a shit this year.

He is playing better than I thought he would and I have admitted to that several times in posts this season.

I have been informed innumerable times at this site (by more than one user) that he is an elite level player, a "Superstar", Datsyukian even.

My comment is stated to define that his skating, in my opinion, holds him back from this level, especially in today's game.

As far as being skating expert I would say that I have been involved in enough on ice time, playing, coaching, watching hockey and other ice related sports to analyze a skating stride or method and to infer the quality of it as it relates to an event in question.

[JelloPuddingPop]

JPP....I think EP is showing this season to be an above average player that, as I said above, has shown some nuts and give a shit this year.

He is playing better than I thought he would and I have admitted to that several times in posts this season.

I have been informed innumerable times at this site (by more than one user) that he is an elite level player, a "Superstar", Datsyukian even.

My comment is stated to define that his skating, in my opinion, holds him back from this level, especially in today's game.

As far as being skating expert I would say that I have been involved in enough on ice time, playing, coaching, watching hockey and other ice related sports to analyze a skating stride or method and to infer the quality of it as it relates to an event in question.

No, I get it Donny - his skating is weird, and I'm sure he'll have some knee issues later in life due to it. I can see it.

What I'm saying, is it isn't holding him back. He *is* playing at an elite level this year (and has previously), other than a blip in his play the last couple of seasons, his skating hasn't stopped him from being an outstanding player. It was his head. He wasn't even moving his feet for a large part of last year. How can skating affect a stationary player's game?

Unless you are saying he has even more give? Which I can certainly believe, and being able to skate better, would certainly put him in a Datsyukian company. I just don't think he does. This is the player we are going to get moving forward - an outstanding defensive player, with above average offense.

I can see his skating becoming more of an issue as he get older - think of good Ol' Mats Sundin - but where he is now, I think it fits in his game.

[JelloPuddingPop]

I’m sorry. No.

He has been a 1.0 PPG player exactly two times. The first time just so happened to see him blow that mark out of the water with 102 points.

In his rookie season he was 5 points shy of the mark.

Closer in his second year where he fell 2 shy.

The season before he broke out he put up 68 points in 80 games.

At this point in his career, which is now in its 8th full season, the point per game (or better) production is the anomaly in the data.

Yep, I'm sorry Mëds - you are 100% correct.

Let me correct myself. "Petey being very extremely close to a PPG player over his 8 year career, his skating has not held him back"

18 points off that pace. 497GP - 479Pts.

18Pts, over 8 years.

Certainly an anomaly in the data. 18 pts. Over 8 years. Anomaly. Right.

My guess in his 10th year, he will be again a PPG player over his career.

[donlever]

Yeah....I think this is it as well JPP which is honestly more than I thought possible over the years.

On the topic of hope I had hoped, after all the contract BS went down, to see a semi-perennial 100 point player materialize (Per feels he has several more in him which I clearly disagree with) once he got his mojo back (Cuz implied data ad nauseum)....

....it appears we have what we have and it is what it is.

The biggest blessing is the cards appear to be on the table so the back and forth vehemence at this here GDHTMB has passed....

As a long suffering Canuck "fan" I just wish he had better wheels....

[Cousin Strawberry]

Mëds nervously watching his nemesis slowly regain his jimmyjam is highly entertaining though

[Meds]

Mëds nervously watching his nemesis slowly regain his jimmyjam is highly entertaining though

I hope he does regain it. Always have.

Can he get back to being a 90-100 point player? Not without a significant injection of complimentary talent into the top-6.

[JelloPuddingPop]

Can he get back to being a 90-100 point player? Not without a significant injection of complimentary talent into the top-6.

Nails and heads Mëds, nails and heads.

Starting with a 2nd line centreman to help with the matchups. Then a top line, or at very least a high end 2nd line winger (not E.Kane). And we might get somewhere with Ol' Petey McFalldown.

[Meds]

I’m sorry. No.

He has been a 1.0 PPG player exactly two times. The first time just so happened to see him blow that mark out of the water with 102 points.

In his rookie season he was 5 points shy of the mark.

Closer in his second year where he fell 2 shy.

The season before he broke out he put up 68 points in 80 games.

At this point in his career, which is now in its 8th full season, the point per game (or better) production is the anomaly in the data.

Yep, I'm sorry Mëds - you are 100% correct.

Yes, I am. Thank you.

Let me correct myself. "Petey being very extremely close to a PPG player over his 8 year career, his skating has not held him back"

18 points off that pace. 497GP - 479Pts.

18Pts, over 8 years.

Certainly an anomaly in the data. 18 pts. Over 8 years. Anomaly. Right.

My guess in his 10th year, he will be again a PPG player over his career.

In those 8 years, the 6 years are the majority. 75% of the time he has not been a point per game player. That would mean that he has NOT been a point per game player for MOST of his career. The anomaly right now is the 2 years versus the 6 years. And you know this.....I mean I'm assuming you are smart enough to see that.

He came into the league as a 19 year old. He scored 66 PTs in 71 GP. A 0.92 PPG (75 PT) pace. Let's say that he maintains that for his career.

Now project that, like many top line players, that he gets to play until he's over 35. Barring a Demkoeque durability issue, that should land him in the 1200+ GP club. 1200 GP at a 0.92 PPG rate has him at 1104 PTs. Are you going to say that someone who scored 100 points below a 1.0 PPG was a 1.0 PPG player? No you're not. Nobody is.

You could erroneously stretch an argument, as you have, that he is a 1.0 PPG player when he is 18 points below that mark roughly halfway through his career, but if you want to argue based upon the total career production then you are not looking at the consistency of the player, which, in case you have not been paying attention, is the issue that most of us "Petey detractors" have been concerned about and were pointing to at the time of his extension that he signed while showing serious decline in production consistency and overall on ice attitude/efforts.

A player can play 20 years at a 0.8 PPG (66 PTs) pace and amass 1312 PTs. If he manages to breakout and score 120 PTs in 5 of those seasons he will be a 1.0 PPG player over his career. However, nobody is going to say that he was a reliable PPG producer for most of his career because 75% of the time he was not.

[Meds]

As a long suffering Canuck "fan" I just wish he had better wheels....

I'll use that comment about his skating to launch my thought about our resident bowl packer's comparisons to Datsyuk.....

Pettersson is showing us that he has the ability to think the game over 200 feet at the same level as Datsyuk and he nearly has the same hands. What set Datsyuk apart was the skating. Watch his feet.....



We've seen stick-handling of that calibre from Pettersson at times, though never at that speed, and many of the times he has been pulling those off he ends up on his knees or on his ass because of his skating. In the absence of elite skating you will be hard pressed to find a player that can put themselves in that upper echelon. Nate MacKinnon is another example of how skating makes all the difference. For both him and Datsyuk, everything they did was at a high tempo and they keep their feet moving more than other players do while attempting the same stick work and shooting. If Petey (and many others I might add) did move his feet that way he would likely get knocked off of them very quickly.....hell he gets knocked off of them even when he's gliding and bracing.

[JelloPuddingPop]

Mëds nervously watching his nemesis slowly regain his jimmyjam is highly entertaining though

I’m sorry. No.

He has been a 1.0 PPG player exactly two times. The first time just so happened to see him blow that mark out of the water with 102 points.

In his rookie season he was 5 points shy of the mark.

Closer in his second year where he fell 2 shy.

The season before he broke out he put up 68 points in 80 games.

At this point in his career, which is now in its 8th full season, the point per game (or better) production is the anomaly in the data.

Yep, I'm sorry Mëds - you are 100% correct.

Yes, I am. Thank you.

Let me correct myself. "Petey being very extremely close to a PPG player over his 8 year career, his skating has not held him back"

18 points off that pace. 497GP - 479Pts.

18Pts, over 8 years.

Certainly an anomaly in the data. 18 pts. Over 8 years. Anomaly. Right.

My guess in his 10th year, he will be again a PPG player over his career.

In those 8 years, the 6 years are the majority. 75% of the time he has not been a point per game player. That would mean that he has NOT been a point per game player for MOST of his career. The anomaly right now is the 2 years versus the 6 years. And you know this.....I mean I'm assuming you are smart enough to see that.

He came into the league as a 19 year old. He scored 66 PTs in 71 GP. A 0.92 PPG (75 PT) pace. Let's say that he maintains that for his career.

Now project that, like many top line players, that he gets to play until he's over 35. Barring a Demkoeque durability issue, that should land him in the 1200+ GP club. 1200 GP at a 0.92 PPG rate has him at 1104 PTs. Are you going to say that someone who scored 100 points below a 1.0 PPG was a 1.0 PPG player? No you're not. Nobody is.

You could erroneously stretch an argument, as you have, that he is a 1.0 PPG player when he is 18 points below that mark roughly halfway through his career, but if you want to argue based upon the total career production then you are not looking at the consistency of the player, which, in case you have not been paying attention, is the issue that most of us "Petey detractors" have been concerned about and were pointing to at the time of his extension that he signed while showing serious decline in production consistency and overall on ice attitude/efforts.

A player can play 20 years at a 0.8 PPG (66 PTs) pace and amass 1312 PTs. If he manages to breakout and score 120 PTs in 5 of those seasons he will be a 1.0 PPG player over his career. However, nobody is going to say that he was a reliable PPG producer for most of his career because 75% of the time he was not.

See UDL, that is how its done