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Re: Canucks Young Guns

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Megaterio Llamas wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2026 5:06 pm
MJN wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2026 5:03 pm
Megaterio Llamas wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2026 4:59 pm
MJN wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2026 4:40 pm Is/was Miller and Horvat a strong enough duo to win a Cup with? Probably not. They might have been enough to get you there, but looking at the last 30 years, the number of teams that have won the Cup with centres outside the top 10 is exceedingly low...
Not that I really disagree with you, but wasn't this past season another example of a team winning it without a true elite center? Aho, Stankoven, and Staal worked pretty well as quality in numbers.
I was going to add Aho as an example, but I didn't watch any of these last playoffs. So I agree, I think you could add Carolina probably both times they won the cup.
Not many teams have ever had what they had this year though, ie three super premium #2 centers. Something like that is likely to work more times than not if you can put it together. Again, I basically agree with your point.
This fun for me, because it touches on a topic I enjoy, but few here care to discuss very often, at least with respect to a deliberate plan: roster construction and cap allocation.

Could the Canucks be looking at three premium #2 centres? Rossi, Cootes, and Malhotra?

My suspicion is that such a roster is actually easier to put together (and fit under a cap) than a 1 -2 centre punch like McDavid and Draisaitl.
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Isn't that because McDavid and Draisaitl.are actually a 1-1 centre punch?
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Ronning's Ghost wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2026 11:05 pm This fun for me, because it touches on a topic I enjoy, but few here care to discuss very often, at least with respect to a deliberate plan: roster construction and cap allocation.
I agree that the topic is interesting.

Here's the way I see it very generally:

(1) All winning teams need above average talent on their rosters. This is a team's core. (St. Louis was arguably an exception to this rule).
(2) Rosters and team identity should be constructed around the core, to accentuate, complement, and sometimes make up for deficits without sacrificing identity.
(3) The corollary to the above is that the core isn't acquired because they fit a pre-conceived notion of team identity. It is really hard to find special players, and beggars can't be choosers. The exception to this is when there is an established core and you are adding a final member who is going to slide into an established system.
(4) This might be summarized as follows: your core players will have specific attributes. To construct a roster, you must understand what those attributes are, and build an identity that maximizes their effectiveness. And that's all right because....
(5) There is no single blueprint for success in the NHL. In recent seasons, the Stanley Cup has been won by teams with different styles. Florida and Carolina have several similarities -- the most significant to me is how relentless they play, but the way they play relentless is quite different and defines them. Florida relies on physicality (not just hitting, but using bodies to take away space without the puck and create space with the puck), always on the line. Carolina speed and indefatigability. Both styles require depth. Florida's game requires above average size, Carolina's game can be played with below average size (at least in the forward group). Florida's game as a team looks more like Barkov; Carolina's looks more like Aho -- they built identities on the players who emerged to be their important players. But go back a few years and the Cups were won by teams defined by their enviable top of the line up skill and the ability of the best defensemen to eat up most of the game (Tampa, Colorado).
(6) A review of recent winners also suggests something quite obvious -- the less "top of the league" your top end talent is, the deeper you have to be. Depth opens up effective style options, and makes finding complements who can play that way really important. Extraordinary high end skill (ideally without glaring weak spots) is a cheat code to being successful, but it brings with it bigger cap hits and less flexibility to build complements. And if those top players flame out, there's nowhere to go.

I think the above holds true with not only styles, but also positions. You can win from the net out, you can win with center depth. And you can lose with each strategy. I agree wings are far less important as a general rule than centers, defensemen, and goalies, but goalies are nearly impossible to project at 18 and defensemen are somewhat hard to project, so that nudges rebuilding through the draft teams to grab centers. My view--when the slate is blank, just get talent and refine from there.
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